So you can cough at me from 6 feet away I guess.
From: Robert
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 5:17 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Philosopy of Tussis
I remember someone talking about the right to swing your arms around all you
want just until it strikes my nose, then your "rights" have abridged mine. (
Or your rights get the response from my left )... That was what prompted my
question, actually...
On 5/9/20 11:30 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Do we have a right not to be infected by others?
Do we have a right not to be coughed on or sneezed on or breathed on?
Do we have a right not to be pissed on or have someone smear their
blood/feces/snot on us?
If we have these rights, then that means other people must do something to
preserve our rights.
Distance, mask, not go around naked....
Do you have a right to not wear a mask around me?
Do I have a right to ask you to wear a mask around me?
How large is a personal bubble?
Do you have the exclusive say as to how things go inside your bubble?
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
Lol, yeah, 6monrh, then 6 months, then 6 months. Get real. Its over
On Sat, May 9, 2020, 11:47 AM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
And probably way less knowledge of how to treat sick people than we will
know in 6 months. It's a teeter-totter...
On 05/09/2020 09:32 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> That's why right now is the best time to get it. We have the highest
> availability of healthcare resources in my entire lifetime.
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2020, 10:07 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>
> Most of us will need to get it (or vaccines) to stop it's reach from
> getting to everyone.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>
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>
>
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>
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> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com
> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Sent: *Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:50:29 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
>
> That's why right now is the best time to get it. Matt and the
> talking heads keep saying that we all will eventually get this, and
> they wouldn't lie. So right now when the hospitals are empty and 60
> percent of healthcare staff is laid off is the ideal time to get it.
> Get it in the fall when it resources (again, matt and the talking
> heads have guaranteed this) are taxed due to flu season, and
> survivability drops.
> From day one I've said infection centers would be the absolute best
> tool to fight this thing. The younger, healthier, medically screened
> people go and get infected, and start treatment immediately. Its
> effectively the same thing as vaccination with a few more steps.
> Morons say "well we dont know that getting it will make you immune"
> which is fine and good, maybe it's not like 99 percent of other
> viruses. But guess what that means. It means that there will never
> be a vaccine since that's what vaccines to (make your body think
> you've had the disease). Matt and the talking heads cannot have it
> both ways, science doesnt allow it.
>
> I'm in the same boat though, I want to maximize the time with my
> kids. I have this new fresh one that's still just a lump of dough,
> I'd like to get to know what he cooks into. But I wont do this
> teaching these little bastards to cower in the corner because the
> government says to, especially when the governments demands dont
> match the so called science they're basing it on. And the little
> dough ball isnt developing an immune system, he will be that pale
> gray sickly kid with a doctors note for PE soon if I dont get him
> exposed to some community germs. I'm about to go drag him across a
> truck stop floor
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2020, 9:35 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>
> I have not had nearly enough time with my grandkids yet.
> So, trying to optimize the chance of more time with grandkids.
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 8:18 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
> Maybe. At this point, I couldn't care less. Get it, don't get
> it. I don't care anymore.
> On Sat, May 9, 2020, 9:07 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> I modified all the doors I could so you don’t have to use a
> hand to open them.
> Put an auto flush valve on the urinal.
> We asked all the guys to try to do the 6 foot thing.
> Logging temps with an IR thermometer each morning and
> posting them on a white board is surprisingly reassuring in
> a way.
> None of this is expensive or onerous or an overreaction and
> will work for all kinds of communicable diseases.
> I don’t want them to bring it back to me. Everyone at my
> place is much younger than my wife and myself. Silly for
> those in a particular age demographic to not be as careful
> as they can. I also wear my seat belt, don’t smoke and try
> to keep my blood sugar and blood pressure low. To me this is
> just more of the same.
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:54 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
> We changed nothing. No distancing, no work from home, no
> masks, no gloves. The only thing we are sick of is all the
> talk of covid. Workers comp covers this kind of thing and
> your ERA is based on the total experience of like industries
> which presumably would experience similar sickness rates.
> Don't let the fear of liability stop you from doing anything
> productive.
> On Fri, May 8, 2020, 5:41 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> I never shut down. I build critical infrastructure.
> We distanced, made sure everyone was in their own vehicle.
> Gave them all gloves and masks. Make sure everyone’s
> temperature is taken and logged each morning.
> If someone gets sick, who gave it to them and who gave
> it to that person. If you want to attempt to assign
> liability it would as difficult as doing slavery
> reparations in a fair manner.
> The can sue China.
> *From:* Robert
> *Sent:* Friday, May 8, 2020 4:20 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
> Act of God? How would you deal with someone getting
> the flu or passing it on?
>
> On 5/8/20 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
> Any lawyer will tell you that waiver only goes so far.
>
> On May 8, 2020, at 6:00 PM, Steve Jones
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Rotflmao. Waiver of liability. Literally that
simple
> On Fri, May 8, 2020, 4:55 PM Matt Hoppes
> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> As we look to reopen our operations, the one
> thing that remains is liability.
>
> How are you all addressing the liability if
> either your tech gets someone sick (and they
> die), or someone gets your tech sick (and
> now you have a potential OSHA issue on your
> hands.
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