Do we have a right not to be infected by others? Do we have a right not to be coughed on or sneezed on or breathed on? Do we have a right not to be pissed on or have someone smear their blood/feces/snot on us?
If we have these rights, then that means other people must do something to preserve our rights. Distance, mask, not go around naked.... Do you have a right to not wear a mask around me? Do I have a right to ask you to wear a mask around me? How large is a personal bubble? Do you have the exclusive say as to how things go inside your bubble? From: Steve Jones Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:30 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability Lol, yeah, 6monrh, then 6 months, then 6 months. Get real. Its over On Sat, May 9, 2020, 11:47 AM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: And probably way less knowledge of how to treat sick people than we will know in 6 months. It's a teeter-totter... On 05/09/2020 09:32 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > That's why right now is the best time to get it. We have the highest > availability of healthcare resources in my entire lifetime. > > On Sat, May 9, 2020, 10:07 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net > <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: > > Most of us will need to get it (or vaccines) to stop it's reach from > getting to everyone. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > *Sent: *Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:50:29 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability > > That's why right now is the best time to get it. Matt and the > talking heads keep saying that we all will eventually get this, and > they wouldn't lie. So right now when the hospitals are empty and 60 > percent of healthcare staff is laid off is the ideal time to get it. > Get it in the fall when it resources (again, matt and the talking > heads have guaranteed this) are taxed due to flu season, and > survivability drops. > From day one I've said infection centers would be the absolute best > tool to fight this thing. The younger, healthier, medically screened > people go and get infected, and start treatment immediately. Its > effectively the same thing as vaccination with a few more steps. > Morons say "well we dont know that getting it will make you immune" > which is fine and good, maybe it's not like 99 percent of other > viruses. But guess what that means. It means that there will never > be a vaccine since that's what vaccines to (make your body think > you've had the disease). Matt and the talking heads cannot have it > both ways, science doesnt allow it. > > I'm in the same boat though, I want to maximize the time with my > kids. I have this new fresh one that's still just a lump of dough, > I'd like to get to know what he cooks into. But I wont do this > teaching these little bastards to cower in the corner because the > government says to, especially when the governments demands dont > match the so called science they're basing it on. And the little > dough ball isnt developing an immune system, he will be that pale > gray sickly kid with a doctors note for PE soon if I dont get him > exposed to some community germs. I'm about to go drag him across a > truck stop floor > > On Sat, May 9, 2020, 9:35 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > > I have not had nearly enough time with my grandkids yet. > So, trying to optimize the chance of more time with grandkids. > *From:* Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 8:18 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability > Maybe. At this point, I couldn't care less. Get it, don't get > it. I don't care anymore. > On Sat, May 9, 2020, 9:07 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > I modified all the doors I could so you don’t have to use a > hand to open them. > Put an auto flush valve on the urinal. > We asked all the guys to try to do the 6 foot thing. > Logging temps with an IR thermometer each morning and > posting them on a white board is surprisingly reassuring in > a way. > None of this is expensive or onerous or an overreaction and > will work for all kinds of communicable diseases. > I don’t want them to bring it back to me. Everyone at my > place is much younger than my wife and myself. Silly for > those in a particular age demographic to not be as careful > as they can. I also wear my seat belt, don’t smoke and try > to keep my blood sugar and blood pressure low. To me this is > just more of the same. > *From:* Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:54 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability > We changed nothing. No distancing, no work from home, no > masks, no gloves. The only thing we are sick of is all the > talk of covid. Workers comp covers this kind of thing and > your ERA is based on the total experience of like industries > which presumably would experience similar sickness rates. > Don't let the fear of liability stop you from doing anything > productive. > On Fri, May 8, 2020, 5:41 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > I never shut down. I build critical infrastructure. > We distanced, made sure everyone was in their own vehicle. > Gave them all gloves and masks. Make sure everyone’s > temperature is taken and logged each morning. > If someone gets sick, who gave it to them and who gave > it to that person. If you want to attempt to assign > liability it would as difficult as doing slavery > reparations in a fair manner. > The can sue China. > *From:* Robert > *Sent:* Friday, May 8, 2020 4:20 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability > Act of God? How would you deal with someone getting > the flu or passing it on? > > On 5/8/20 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > > Any lawyer will tell you that waiver only goes so far. > > On May 8, 2020, at 6:00 PM, Steve Jones > mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Rotflmao. Waiver of liability. Literally that simple > On Fri, May 8, 2020, 4:55 PM Matt Hoppes > <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > > As we look to reopen our operations, the one > thing that remains is liability. > > How are you all addressing the liability if > either your tech gets someone sick (and they > die), or someone gets your tech sick (and > now you have a potential OSHA issue on your > hands. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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