Just gettting back to this thread now.

I would absolutely rush out and get it right now IF:

A) I knew for a fact that the antibodies would keep me immune to it going forward
B) I knew for a fact there were no long term issues (think Polio)

I'm not convinced of either of those things, yet... and am waiting on folks more smart than myself.

On 5/9/20 10:50 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
That's why right now is the best time to get it. Matt and the talking heads keep saying that we all will eventually get this, and they wouldn't lie. So right now when the hospitals are empty and 60 percent of healthcare staff is laid off is the ideal time to get it. Get it in the fall when it resources (again, matt and the talking heads have guaranteed this) are taxed due to flu season, and survivability drops. From day one I've said infection centers would be the absolute best tool to fight this thing. The younger, healthier, medically screened people go and get infected, and start treatment immediately. Its effectively the same thing as vaccination with a few more steps. Morons say "well we dont know that getting it will make you immune" which is fine and good, maybe it's not like 99 percent of other viruses. But guess what that means. It means that there will never be a vaccine since that's what vaccines to (make your body think you've had the disease). Matt and the talking heads cannot have it both ways, science doesnt allow it.

I'm in the same boat though, I want to maximize the time with my kids. I have this new fresh one that's still just a lump of dough, I'd like to get to know what he cooks into. But I wont do this teaching these little bastards to cower in the corner because the government says to, especially when the governments demands dont match the so called science they're basing it on. And the little dough ball isnt developing an immune system, he will be that pale gray sickly kid with a doctors note for PE soon if I dont get him exposed to some community germs. I'm about to go drag him across a truck stop floor

On Sat, May 9, 2020, 9:35 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

    I have not had nearly enough time with my grandkids yet.
    So, trying to optimize the chance of more time with grandkids.
    *From:* Lewis Bergman
    *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 8:18 AM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
    Maybe. At this point, I couldn't care less. Get it, don't get it. I
    don't care anymore.
    On Sat, May 9, 2020, 9:07 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

        I modified all the doors I could so you don’t have to use a hand
        to open them.
        Put an auto flush valve on the urinal.
        We asked all the guys to try to do the 6 foot thing.
        Logging temps with an IR thermometer each morning and posting
        them on a white board is surprisingly reassuring in a way.
        None of this is expensive or onerous or an overreaction and will
        work for all kinds of communicable diseases.
        I don’t want them to bring it back to me.  Everyone at my place
        is much younger than my wife and myself.  Silly for those in a
        particular age demographic to not be as careful as they can.  I
        also wear my seat belt, don’t smoke and try to keep my blood
        sugar and blood pressure low. To me this is just more of the same.
        *From:* Lewis Bergman
        *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:54 AM
        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
        We changed nothing. No distancing, no work from home, no masks,
        no gloves. The only thing we are sick of is all the talk of
        covid. Workers comp covers this kind of thing and your ERA is
        based on the total experience of like industries which
        presumably would experience similar sickness rates.
        Don't let the fear of liability stop you from doing anything
        productive.
        On Fri, May 8, 2020, 5:41 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

            I never shut down.  I build critical infrastructure.
            We distanced, made sure everyone was in their own vehicle.
            Gave them all gloves and masks.  Make sure everyone’s
            temperature is taken and logged each morning.
            If someone gets sick, who gave it to them and who gave it to
            that person.  If you want to attempt to assign liability it
            would as difficult as doing slavery reparations in a fair
            manner.
            The can sue China.
            *From:* Robert
            *Sent:* Friday, May 8, 2020 4:20 PM
            *To:* af@af.afmug.com
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
            Act of God?   How would you deal with someone getting the
            flu or passing it on?

            On 5/8/20 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
            Any lawyer will tell you that waiver only goes so far.

            On May 8, 2020, at 6:00 PM, Steve Jones
            mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

            
            Rotflmao. Waiver of liability. Literally that simple
            On Fri, May 8, 2020, 4:55 PM Matt Hoppes
            <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

                As we look to reopen our operations, the one thing
                that remains is liability.

                How are you all addressing the liability if either
                your tech gets someone sick (and they die), or
                someone gets your tech sick (and now you have a
                potential OSHA issue on your hands.
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