Re: [AFMUG] OT Philosopy of Tussis

Sat, 09 May 2020 18:00:18 -0700

Chuck Norris said something close to that in "Invasion USA"

"Hit You With So Many Rights You'll Beg For A Left"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pzpf4MLGv4

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On 5/9/2020 4:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I have this recollection of a comic or movie character who would say “I’ll give you your rights … and your lefts!” or something like that.  I was thinking maybe Dick Tracy.  But the Google can’t find it, so I must be mistaken.

 

From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 6:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Philosopy of Tussis

 

So you can cough at me from 6 feet away I guess. 

 

From: Robert

Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 5:17 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Philosopy of Tussis

 

I remember someone talking about the right to swing your arms around all you want just until it strikes my nose, then your "rights" have abridged mine.  ( Or your rights get the response from my left )...   That was what prompted my question, actually...

On 5/9/20 11:30 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Do we have a right not to be infected by others?

Do we have a right not to be coughed on or sneezed on or breathed on?

Do we have a right not to be pissed on or have someone smear their blood/feces/snot on us?

 

If we have these rights, then that means other people must do something to preserve our rights.

Distance, mask, not go around naked....

 

Do you have a right to not wear a mask around me?

Do I have a right to ask you to wear a mask around me?

How large is a personal bubble? 

Do you have the exclusive say as to how things go inside your bubble?

 

From: Steve Jones

Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

 

Lol, yeah, 6monrh, then 6 months, then 6 months. Get real. Its over

 

On Sat, May 9, 2020, 11:47 AM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

And probably way less knowledge of how to treat sick people than we will
know in 6 months.  It's a teeter-totter...

On 05/09/2020 09:32 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> That's why right now is the best time to get it. We have the highest
> availability of healthcare resources in my entire lifetime.
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2020, 10:07 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>
>     Most of us will need to get it (or vaccines) to stop it's reach from
>     getting to everyone.
>
>
>
>     -----
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>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
>     <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
>     *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com
>     <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>     *Sent: *Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:50:29 AM
>     *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
>
>     That's why right now is the best time to get it. Matt and the
>     talking heads keep saying that we all will eventually get this, and
>     they wouldn't lie. So right now when the hospitals are empty and 60
>     percent of healthcare staff is laid off is the ideal time to get it.
>     Get it in the fall when it resources (again, matt and the talking
>     heads have guaranteed this) are taxed due to flu season, and
>     survivability drops.
>      From day one I've said infection centers would be the absolute best
>     tool to fight this thing. The younger, healthier, medically screened
>     people go and get infected, and start treatment immediately. Its
>     effectively the same thing as vaccination with a few more steps.
>     Morons say "well we dont know that getting it will make you immune"
>     which is fine and good, maybe it's not like 99 percent of other
>     viruses. But guess what that means. It means that there will never
>     be a vaccine since that's what vaccines to (make your body think
>     you've had the disease). Matt and the talking heads cannot have it
>     both ways, science doesnt allow it.
>
>     I'm in the same boat though, I want to maximize the time with my
>     kids. I have this new fresh one that's still just a lump of dough,
>     I'd like to get to know what he cooks into. But I wont do this
>     teaching these little bastards to cower in the corner because the
>     government says to, especially when the governments demands dont
>     match the so called science they're basing it on. And the little
>     dough ball isnt developing an immune system, he will be that pale
>     gray sickly kid with a doctors note for PE soon if I dont get him
>     exposed to some community germs. I'm about to go drag him across a
>     truck stop floor
>
>     On Sat, May 9, 2020, 9:35 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com
>     <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>
>         I have not had nearly enough time with my grandkids yet.
>         So, trying to optimize the chance of more time with grandkids.
>         *From:* Lewis Bergman
>         *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 8:18 AM
>         *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
>         Maybe. At this point, I couldn't care less. Get it, don't get
>         it. I don't care anymore.
>         On Sat, May 9, 2020, 9:07 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>             I modified all the doors I could so you don’t have to use a
>             hand to open them.
>             Put an auto flush valve on the urinal.
>             We asked all the guys to try to do the 6 foot thing.
>             Logging temps with an IR thermometer each morning and
>             posting them on a white board is surprisingly reassuring in
>             a way.
>             None of this is expensive or onerous or an overreaction and
>             will work for all kinds of communicable diseases.
>             I don’t want them to bring it back to me.  Everyone at my
>             place is much younger than my wife and myself.  Silly for
>             those in a particular age demographic to not be as careful
>             as they can.  I also wear my seat belt, don’t smoke and try
>             to keep my blood sugar and blood pressure low. To me this is
>             just more of the same.
>             *From:* Lewis Bergman
>             *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:54 AM
>             *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>             *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
>             We changed nothing. No distancing, no work from home, no
>             masks, no gloves. The only thing we are sick of is all the
>             talk of covid. Workers comp covers this kind of thing and
>             your ERA is based on the total experience of like industries
>             which presumably would experience similar sickness rates.
>             Don't let the fear of liability stop you from doing anything
>             productive.
>             On Fri, May 8, 2020, 5:41 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>                 I never shut down.  I build critical infrastructure.
>                 We distanced, made sure everyone was in their own vehicle.
>                 Gave them all gloves and masks.  Make sure everyone’s
>                 temperature is taken and logged each morning.
>                 If someone gets sick, who gave it to them and who gave
>                 it to that person.  If you want to attempt to assign
>                 liability it would as difficult as doing slavery
>                 reparations in a fair manner.
>                 The can sue China.
>                 *From:* Robert
>                 *Sent:* Friday, May 8, 2020 4:20 PM
>                 *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>                 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
>                 Act of God?   How would you deal with someone getting
>                 the flu or passing it on?
>
>                 On 5/8/20 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
>                     Any lawyer will tell you that waiver only goes so far.
>
>                         On May 8, 2020, at 6:00 PM, Steve Jones
>                         mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>                         
>                         Rotflmao. Waiver of liability. Literally that simple
>                         On Fri, May 8, 2020, 4:55 PM Matt Hoppes
>                         <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>                             As we look to reopen our operations, the one
>                             thing that remains is liability.
>
>                             How are you all addressing the liability if
>                             either your tech gets someone sick (and they
>                             die), or someone gets your tech sick (and
>                             now you have a potential OSHA issue on your
>                             hands.
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