And probably way less knowledge of how to treat sick people than we will know in 6 months. It's a teeter-totter...

On 05/09/2020 09:32 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
That's why right now is the best time to get it. We have the highest availability of healthcare resources in my entire lifetime.

On Sat, May 9, 2020, 10:07 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

    Most of us will need to get it (or vaccines) to stop it's reach from
    getting to everyone.



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    *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
    <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
    *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com
    <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Sent: *Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:50:29 AM
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability

    That's why right now is the best time to get it. Matt and the
    talking heads keep saying that we all will eventually get this, and
    they wouldn't lie. So right now when the hospitals are empty and 60
    percent of healthcare staff is laid off is the ideal time to get it.
    Get it in the fall when it resources (again, matt and the talking
    heads have guaranteed this) are taxed due to flu season, and
    survivability drops.
     From day one I've said infection centers would be the absolute best
    tool to fight this thing. The younger, healthier, medically screened
    people go and get infected, and start treatment immediately. Its
    effectively the same thing as vaccination with a few more steps.
    Morons say "well we dont know that getting it will make you immune"
    which is fine and good, maybe it's not like 99 percent of other
    viruses. But guess what that means. It means that there will never
    be a vaccine since that's what vaccines to (make your body think
    you've had the disease). Matt and the talking heads cannot have it
    both ways, science doesnt allow it.

    I'm in the same boat though, I want to maximize the time with my
    kids. I have this new fresh one that's still just a lump of dough,
    I'd like to get to know what he cooks into. But I wont do this
    teaching these little bastards to cower in the corner because the
    government says to, especially when the governments demands dont
    match the so called science they're basing it on. And the little
    dough ball isnt developing an immune system, he will be that pale
    gray sickly kid with a doctors note for PE soon if I dont get him
    exposed to some community germs. I'm about to go drag him across a
    truck stop floor

    On Sat, May 9, 2020, 9:35 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com
    <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

        I have not had nearly enough time with my grandkids yet.
        So, trying to optimize the chance of more time with grandkids.
        *From:* Lewis Bergman
        *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 8:18 AM
        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
        Maybe. At this point, I couldn't care less. Get it, don't get
        it. I don't care anymore.
        On Sat, May 9, 2020, 9:07 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

            I modified all the doors I could so you don’t have to use a
            hand to open them.
            Put an auto flush valve on the urinal.
            We asked all the guys to try to do the 6 foot thing.
            Logging temps with an IR thermometer each morning and
            posting them on a white board is surprisingly reassuring in
            a way.
            None of this is expensive or onerous or an overreaction and
            will work for all kinds of communicable diseases.
            I don’t want them to bring it back to me.  Everyone at my
            place is much younger than my wife and myself.  Silly for
            those in a particular age demographic to not be as careful
            as they can.  I also wear my seat belt, don’t smoke and try
            to keep my blood sugar and blood pressure low. To me this is
            just more of the same.
            *From:* Lewis Bergman
            *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:54 AM
            *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
            We changed nothing. No distancing, no work from home, no
            masks, no gloves. The only thing we are sick of is all the
            talk of covid. Workers comp covers this kind of thing and
            your ERA is based on the total experience of like industries
            which presumably would experience similar sickness rates.
            Don't let the fear of liability stop you from doing anything
            productive.
            On Fri, May 8, 2020, 5:41 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

                I never shut down.  I build critical infrastructure.
                We distanced, made sure everyone was in their own vehicle.
                Gave them all gloves and masks.  Make sure everyone’s
                temperature is taken and logged each morning.
                If someone gets sick, who gave it to them and who gave
                it to that person.  If you want to attempt to assign
                liability it would as difficult as doing slavery
                reparations in a fair manner.
                The can sue China.
                *From:* Robert
                *Sent:* Friday, May 8, 2020 4:20 PM
                *To:* af@af.afmug.com
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID liability
                Act of God?   How would you deal with someone getting
                the flu or passing it on?

                On 5/8/20 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

                    Any lawyer will tell you that waiver only goes so far.

                        On May 8, 2020, at 6:00 PM, Steve Jones
                        mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

                        
                        Rotflmao. Waiver of liability. Literally that simple
                        On Fri, May 8, 2020, 4:55 PM Matt Hoppes
                        <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

                            As we look to reopen our operations, the one
                            thing that remains is liability.

                            How are you all addressing the liability if
                            either your tech gets someone sick (and they
                            die), or someone gets your tech sick (and
                            now you have a potential OSHA issue on your
                            hands.
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