So all the other facts are guilty by association?
Get out of your comfort level and get your head out of the sand. Stop
listening to what people are telling you. Look at all sides of every
argument no matter how far fetched. Usually somewhere in the middle is
the truth. Not the truth others are spoon feeding you. That means read
more putrid crap! Even if that person has PHD's and you don't.
--
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*From: *"Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com>
*To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:06:19 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
#4 is patently FALSE. And the fact that it is included makes the rest
of the statements completely suspect. Yeah this is another ( like it
says in the title ) propaganda piece. Prior coronaviruses generate NO
immunity to this coronavirus. And the other numbers on the
asymptomatic percentages fly in the face of data gathered from 1/2 way
decent data from both the Aircraft Carrier non-test group and the Cruise
ship group. BLETCH I hate seeing this putrid crap.
On 05/06/2020 09:28 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> Swiss Doctor the FACTS about Covid19
>
> https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
>
> Fact #1 is disturbing already.
>
> According to data from the best-studied countries and regions, the
> lethality of Covid19 is on averageabout 0.20%
>
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zC3kW1sMu0sjnT_vP1sh4zL0tF6fIHbA6fcG5RQdqSc/>,
> which is in the range of a severeinfluenza
> <https://www.ebm-netzwerk.de/en/publications/covid-19>(flu) and about
> twenty times lower than originallyassumed
>
<https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-by-age-countries-2020-3>by
> the WHO.
>
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
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> *From: *"Steven Kenney" <st...@wavedirect.org>
> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:12:52 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
> More interesting reading.
>
> Here is an interesting site I've been following that shows the
> mutations, and branches of mutations and their genomes.
> https://nextstrain.org/ncov
>
> Lets take all the figures into proportion. Is this worse than previous
> bad years?
> http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/
>
> Are shutdowns really having any tangible effect? Several medical papers
> have been submitted, here is just one.
> https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20078717v1
> *"Full lockdown policies in Western Europe countries have no evident
> impacts on the COVID-19 epidemic."*
>
> The 6 foot rule effective?
>
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/01/two-metre-rule-reviewed-amid-hope-relaxed-restrictions-could/
>
>
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8256109/Social-distancing-two-metres-apart-based-figure-says-government-adviser.html
>
> " Social distancing orders for people to keep two metres apart to stop
> the spread of coronavirus
> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/coronavirus/index.html> is not based
> on any scientific research, a government adviser has said."
> The Brits had a similar health crisis in 68'
>
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/02/britain-handled-1968-flu-epidemic-shutdown-avoided-second-wave/
>
>
>
> I've also attached a picture that was leaked early on when it was
> detected(of a piece of the actual genome). It shows some interesting
> differences that don't adhere to the normal mutation process of a corona
> virus. They are claimed to be "insertions".
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
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> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 8:50:24 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
> Cats are trouble.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG5mOd8Ubsk
>
> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 7:29 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
> Utah cats are easier to herd than NY cats.
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
>
> On 5/5/2020 5:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> We have been under 1 in Utah for some time now.
>
> *From:*Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:*Tuesday, May 5, 2020 5:51 PM
>
> *To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
> Remember what I sent out about a month or so ago about all the
> different strains of the virus they've identified? If we get a
> vaccine in a year or so, it will probably end up being only useful
> for a strain of the virus that has died out by then.
>
> I listened to this yesterday (this morning actually, but I digress).
> It is about the best description of R, R0 (R nought), and other
> variations of R. The point being is that I misunderstood the concept
> of "flattening the curve". I had thought that reducing the spread
> would end up infecting the same number of people over a longer
> period of time (so that we don't overwhelm the health system). Turns
> out, that if it's done right, you don't flatten the curve, but you
> crush the curve. I also believe that the widely varied
> infection/death rates comes from a wide variety of factors;
> population density, version of the virus(es) that are "local",
> extent of social distancing, etc. etc. However, getting 330 million
> Americans to follow a plan is way, way worse than herding cats.
>
>
https://www.marketplace.org/shows/make-me-smart-with-kai-and-molly/is-the-simulation-breaking-cruises-are-going-to-set-sail-again/
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 5/5/2020 1:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I assume everyone saw the news item today about researchers
> saying the original Wuhan virus mutated to a more contagious
> strain that has pushed out its less aggressive predecessor in
> Europe and the US east coast. That certainly throws cold water
> on some of the vaccine optimism that was starting to build.
>
> Also, the way humans are reacting to this (and to climate change
> before it) is starting to make me think we are no better at
> handling new threats than the dinosaurs were when an asteroid
> triggered an ice age. And that we may all (not just the weak
> and old among us) go the way of the dinosaurs. I mean jeez,
> folks, it hasn’t even been 2 months and we’re turning on each
> other and shooting guards at Family Dollar and talking about
> gutting and eating our neighbors. (and their stash of Vienna
> sausages?)
>
> https://dilbert.com/strip/1990-07-05
>
> *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of
> *ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 3:25 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
> Need to see if they will float first.
>
> *From:*James Howard
>
> *Sent:*Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:17 PM
>
> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
> Seems that what was proved by this is that nobody can even agree
> on what they agree about.
>
> I certainly don’t agree with #2. It is most certainly WAY more
> contagious and easily spread than “the flu” but until we’ve gone
> a full year we won’t know what the actual % death rate is (if we
> even know then due to all the debates about what is counted).
>
> One of the articles posted along the way here stated that this
> is about 300 times more contagious than “the flu” but the actual
> rate of death to cases is lower. What is the definition of
> being “more deadly”?
>
> I disagree about shooting everyone though. I think we should
> all be burned at the stake. This of course leads to arguments
> about what kind of fuel to use and how to ignite it…….
>
> *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve
> Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:11 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
> so 2-4 off the firs list are off the first list.
>
> you could probably find somebody to argue number 1, if nobody
> steps up, ill argue it
>
> settled science doesnt exist, thats the exact opposite of science
>
> i think we should just shoot everybody. thats got nothing to do
> with the disease, we should just all be shot. a whole lot less
> disagreement that way. Would never work though, we would never
> get past the caliber argument to even get to shooting
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:48 PM Robert Andrews
> <i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>
> Not sure about a4. I don't think Hong Kong, South Korea,
> New Zealand,
> Australia has the same statistics as anywhere else but that
> depends upon
> what statistics you are talking about. Hong Kong stands
> out the most.
> Look at the cases and the deaths as of Today and you
> will wonder WTF
> are they making it all up? Could be, but most think they
> are accurate
> because they dealt with SARS before, they really knew what
> they were
> doing more than any other country. 4 deaths.
>
> On 05/05/2020 10:41 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> > Can summarize this pretty easily. These are facts that
probably we can
> > agree upon.
> >
> > 1) Its a RNA based virus similar if not exactly like an
exosome.
> > 2) Its definitely more deadly than the regular flu
> > 3) It isn't as deadly as everyone estimated it to be.
(statistics and
> > predictions are all off)
> > 4) Countries who didn't close their economy has similar
statistics than
> > countries that did.
> > 5) I'm still staying home either way just to be safe!
> >
> > These points are to be debated and NOBODY can say with
absolute
> > certainty these things are correct.
> >
> > 1) The virus originated from China
> > 2) It originated from a lab studying the virus.
> > 3) It escaped either intentionally or accidentally.
> > 4) The demographics the virus impacts may or may not be
specific (old,
> > young, white, black, asian etc)
> > 5) The people reporting statistics for
deaths/infections are 100%
> > accurate. There are cases all over of under reporting
and over reporting.
> >
> > --
> > Steven Kenney
> > Network Operations Manager
> > WaveDirect Telecommunications
> > http://www.wavedirect.net
> > (519)737-WAVE (9283)
> >
> >
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> > *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com
<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
> > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> > *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:59:03 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
> >
> > It seems to me, that what really matters is how many
deaths there have
> > been in excess of what the average was for the same
period in previous
> > years (yes, I know that's what they're talking about in
the NYT article,
> > but I'm too lazy to read it all and see how much detail
they go into).
> > We can argue all day about whether somebody that died
of a heart attack
> > died because they had covid19 or whether they just had
an unrelated
> > heart attack and just happened to have a mild case of
covid, and whether
> > they should be counted, but in the end, it doesn't
really matter. If
> > say, an average of 10,000 people died in X state in
April for the past 5
> > years, and this year 15,000 died, then we can pretty
safely blame 5,000
> > of those deaths on covid. It doesn't really matter if
6,000 people
> > actually died of covid, but 1000 of them would've died
of flu anyway,
> > and it just happened to be covid that finished them off
instead, or if
> > 500 got so sick of sitting in front of the tv that they
jumped off a
> > bridge and were never infected.
> > I don't think we'll ever have particularly accurate
numbers of how many
> > people directly died of the infection (other than maybe
in Utah), but in
> > a few months we should have pretty accurate numbers of
how many excess
> > deaths there were.
> >
> > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 11:22 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com%20%0b>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
wrote:
> >
> > Those who suspect an “agenda” will immediately
dispute these graphs
> > because the source is NYT which they will perceive
as biased. But
> > if you read the article, they go out of their way
to point out
> > possible errors in the data, as well as other
influences like
> > overloaded healthcare system led to people dying of
other causes,
> > but also less deaths due to traffic and violence.
And the data as
> > Bill says is from other sources, the paper didn’t
make them up to
> > suit a political agenda or bias.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> >
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > In other countries like Italy, no doubt the deaths
were undercounted
> > because the system was overwhelmed. Even in NYC,
the morgues and
> > crematories are overloaded, they are stuffing
bodies in refrigerated
> > semis, you can’t possibly claim these are just the
normal deaths
> > being mislabeled as Covid related to suit an
agenda. Then you have
> > all the prison and nursing home deaths. OK, sure,
elderly people
> > croak all the time, it’s a hoax.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%0b>>
> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:02 AM
> > *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > The numbers posted on various web sites are neither
government
> > sourced or corporate sourced. Hospitals, clinics,
and morgues are
> > supplying the numbers. There is a level of
uncertainty because of
> > different criteria. That is true for the US cases,
but probably not
> > for other countries. For example, the numbers
coming from China (and
> > several other countries) are by design government
based. But to
> > brush them all off as "government or corporations"
is being naive at
> > least.____
> >
> > I would not say that "most" patients have
pre-existing conditions.
> > Maybe a high percentage, but it does not explain
why such a large
> > number of otherwise healthy people are being
infected the way they
> > are. At some point, we will figure out that there
is a genetic or
> > environmental factor that we just do not understand
yet.____
> >
> > I (for one) do not believe the numbers are 100%
accurate, but I also
> > do not believe the numbers are 100% fictitious
either. Where you cut
> > off is probably a personal thing.____
> >
> > bp____
> >
> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > On 5/5/2020 6:55 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:____
> >
> > You guys work with statistics much? You think
the numbers are
> > accurate? At what point have you ever seen
government or
> > corporations represent 100% accurate numbers?____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > I'll let you do your own homework. But I've
seen hundreds of
> > reports from all over the place of deaths of
natural causes
> > being classified as covid deaths. Since most
patients have
> > existing conditions and many were already dying
and died of
> > those conditions (heart attack, cancer etc)
are being
> > attributed to covid. Some people have
estimated that upward of
> > 20% misrepresented. So as long as there is 1
case that is
> > questionable - the statistics are not accurate.
____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > --
> > Steven Kenney
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> > WaveDirect Telecommunications
> > http://www.wavedirect.net
> > (519)737-WAVE (9283)____
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> > *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com
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> > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
> > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> > *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 2:04:16 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > The numbers are not "completely" false, but
it's the best we can
> > do when we don't actually test all the
suspected infections. It
> > also (probably) missed a whole lot of the early
deaths, as they
> > were miss-classified. If you think under-ground
near-do-wells
> > are planted in all the hospitals around the
country and are
> > coordinating false numbers on all the rest of
us, then I have a
> > tin hat that might fit real well.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > bp____
> >
> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > On 5/4/2020 10:48 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:____
> >
> > Numbers are completely false. Even with
that taken into
> > regard it still is just as lethal as the
regular flu. While
> > it is way more harsh on people if they get
it, most people
> > have underlying conditions, or didn't know
they had them, or
> > didn't take it serious when they got it. ____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Unfortunately politicians never waste a
crisis to further
> > their agenda. ____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > --
> > Steven Kenney
> > Network Operations Manager
> > WaveDirect Telecommunications
> > http://www.wavedirect.net
> > (519)737-WAVE (9283)____
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> > *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 12:30:08 PM
> > *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > image____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > Every time I get my hopes up this curve
breaks my heart...
> > Let’s hope we are on the tail of a normal
curve. ____
> >
> > 6 days in a row decline. But it has done
this cycle 3 times
> > before with a huge spike after. ____
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