Yep, me too. prior to seeing it, i was a telescope and electronics kid. Told everybody i wanted to be an astronaut. I dont think i used my starcharts and telescope again after. little kids are weird fuckers
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 2:47 PM Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org> wrote: > I was watching it live when it happened. It was a huge empty feeling > after that happened. To me it really was the death of the space program. > Since then its been all downhill other than a couple good mars rovers. > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:43:34 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > The Challenger cause was a very deep dive into the psyche of NASA. > Apollo was a group of engineers that had their roots in WWII and the > kind of engineering that grew out of that rapid rush to jump ahead. > The Shuttle was the next generation of engineers cross bred with a > government learning how to create life-long re-election government. > Challenger was the result. > > On 05/06/2020 12:21 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > Absolutely. The prior generation was driven by what they witnessed. The > > latter generation aw their dreams crushed and their government give > > up.Which is odd, because the prior generation drove the decisions made > > after the challenger. It may have been that their sails didnt just have > > the wind taken, but burned off the ship. I guess its about the > perspective > > > > On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 2:14 PM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com > > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote: > > > > I think that those two events seriously altered the attitude of their > > respective generations. Thoughts? > > > > On 05/06/2020 11:00 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > > > I would have loved to have grown up during that time, i grew up > > with the > > > challenger, quite a different feel > > > > > > On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 12:50 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com > > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > > > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>> wrote: > > > > > > Corona has a higher case fatality rate than the ‘68 Hong Kong > > flu. > > > 1.1% so far world wide. > > > Spanish flu was 2.5% > > > 1968 flu was only .5% > > > And it was a big deal. > > > All the grups were conclaving on what to do about it. > > > Lots of consternation. There was talk of extending xmas > school > > > break which I thought was pretty nice. > > > But I was more interested in the Apollo program and chasing > > girls. > > > And most of the sites I have looked at show the HK flu killing > > > 38,000 in the US > > > *From:* Steven Kenney > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:04 AM > > > *To:* af > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > > Woodstock happened in the middle of a pandemic. Whats the > > > difference now? > > > t was the summer of love: in 1969 a half a million people > > gathered > > > together to listen to music, take drugs, have sex, roll > around in > > > the mud, and share a densely populated area for one long > weekend. > > > And guess what? The whole thing happened during a health > > pandemic. > > > In 1968 the H3N2 pandemic came to the US from Hong Kong.It > killed > > > more than 100,000 Americans, mostly over the age of 65, which > was > > > more combined fatalities than both the Vietnam and Korean > Wars. > > > > > <https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html > >Schools, > > > movie theaters, bars, tattoo parlors, restaurants, and, of > > course, > > > concerts venues stayed open. The stock market didn’t crash, > > Congress > > > didn’t issue a lock down order, the Federal reserve had no > > > involvement, there was no spike in the suicide rate, violent > > > criminals weren’t freed from jail, and nobody arrested > surfers or > > > hair stylists. > > > > > > https://www.aier.org/article/woodstock-occurred-in-the-middle-of-a-pandemic/ > > > > > > -- > > > Steven Kenney > > > Network Operations Manager > > > WaveDirect Telecommunications > > > http://www.wavedirect.net > > > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > *From: *"Steven Kenney" <st...@wavedirect.org > > <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> > > > <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>> > > > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>> > > > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:28:04 PM > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > > Swiss Doctor the FACTS about Covid19 > > > https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ > > > Fact #1 is disturbing already. > > > According to data from the best-studied countries and > > regions, the > > > lethality of Covid19 is on average about 0.20% > > > > > < > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zC3kW1sMu0sjnT_vP1sh4zL0tF6fIHbA6fcG5RQdqSc/ > >, > > > which is in the range of a severe influenza > > > <https://www.ebm-netzwerk.de/en/publications/covid-19>(flu) > and > > > about twenty times lower than originally assumed > > > > > < > https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-by-age-countries-2020-3 > >by > > > the WHO. > > > -- > > > Steven Kenney > > > Network Operations Manager > > > WaveDirect Telecommunications > > > http://www.wavedirect.net > > > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > *From: *"Steven Kenney" <st...@wavedirect.org > > <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> > > > <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>> > > > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>> > > > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:12:52 PM > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > > More interesting reading. > > > Here is an interesting site I've been following that shows the > > > mutations, and branches of mutations and their genomes. > > > https://nextstrain.org/ncov > > > Lets take all the figures into proportion. Is this worse than > > > previous bad years? > > > http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/ > > > Are shutdowns really having any tangible effect? Several > medical > > > papers have been submitted, here is just one. > > > https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20078717v1 > > > *"Full lockdown policies in Western Europe countries have no > > evident > > > impacts on the COVID-19 epidemic."* > > > The 6 foot rule effective? > > > > > > https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/01/two-metre-rule-reviewed-amid-hope-relaxed-restrictions-could/ > > > > > > > > > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8256109/Social-distancing-two-metres-apart-based-figure-says-government-adviser.html > > > > > > " Social distancing orders for people to keep two metres > apart to > > > stop the spread of coronavirus > > > <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/coronavirus/index.html>is > not > > > based on any scientific research, a government adviser has > said." > > > The Brits had a similar health crisis in 68' > > > > > > https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/02/britain-handled-1968-flu-epidemic-shutdown-avoided-second-wave/ > > > > > > > > > > > > I've also attached a picture that was leaked early on when it > was > > > detected(of a piece of the actual genome). It shows some > > > interesting differences that don't adhere to the normal > mutation > > > process of a corona virus. They are claimed to be > "insertions". > > > -- > > > Steven Kenney > > > Network Operations Manager > > > WaveDirect Telecommunications > > > http://www.wavedirect.net > > > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>> > > > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>> > > > *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 8:50:24 PM > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > > > > > Cats are trouble. > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG5mOd8Ubsk > > > > > > *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>> > > > *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 7:29 PM > > > *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > > > > > Utah cats are easier to herd than NY cats. > > > > > > bp > > > > > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/5/2020 5:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > We have been under 1 in Utah for some time now. > > > > > > *From:*Bill Prince > > > > > > *Sent:*Tuesday, May 5, 2020 5:51 PM > > > > > > *To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > > > > > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > > > > > Remember what I sent out about a month or so ago about > > all the > > > different strains of the virus they've identified? If we > > get a > > > vaccine in a year or so, it will probably end up being > only > > > useful for a strain of the virus that has died out by > then. > > > > > > I listened to this yesterday (this morning actually, but I > > > digress). It is about the best description of R, R0 (R > > nought), > > > and other variations of R. The point being is that I > > > misunderstood the concept of "flattening the curve". I had > > > thought that reducing the spread would end up infecting > > the same > > > number of people over a longer period of time (so that we > > don't > > > overwhelm the health system). Turns out, that if it's done > > > right, you don't flatten the curve, but you crush the > > curve. I > > > also believe that the widely varied infection/death rates > > comes > > > from a wide variety of factors; population density, > > version of > > > the virus(es) that are "local", extent of social > distancing, > > > etc. etc. However, getting 330 million Americans to > follow a > > > plan is way, way worse than herding cats. > > > > > > > > > https://www.marketplace.org/shows/make-me-smart-with-kai-and-molly/is-the-simulation-breaking-cruises-are-going-to-set-sail-again/ > > > > > > bp > > > > > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > > > On 5/5/2020 1:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > > > > I assume everyone saw the news item today about > > researchers > > > saying the original Wuhan virus mutated to a more > > contagious > > > strain that has pushed out its less aggressive > > predecessor > > > in Europe and the US east coast. That certainly > > throws cold > > > water on some of the vaccine optimism that was > > starting to > > > build. > > > > > > Also, the way humans are reacting to this (and to > climate > > > change before it) is starting to make me think we are > no > > > better at handling new threats than the dinosaurs > > were when > > > an asteroid triggered an ice age. And that we may > > all (not > > > just the weak and old among us) go the way of the > > dinosaurs. > > > I mean jeez, folks, it hasn’t even been 2 months and > > we’re > > > turning on each other and shooting guards at Family > > Dollar > > > and talking about gutting and eating our neighbors. > (and > > > their stash of Vienna sausages?) > > > > > > https://dilbert.com/strip/1990-07-05 > > > > > > *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of > > > *ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 3:25 PM > > > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > > mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > > > > > Need to see if they will float first. > > > > > > *From:*James Howard > > > > > > *Sent:*Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:17 PM > > > > > > *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > > > > > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > > > > > Seems that what was proved by this is that nobody can > > even > > > agree on what they agree about. > > > > > > I certainly don’t agree with #2. It is most > > certainly WAY > > > more contagious and easily spread than “the flu” but > > until > > > we’ve gone a full year we won’t know what the actual > > % death > > > rate is (if we even know then due to all the debates > > about > > > what is counted). > > > > > > One of the articles posted along the way here stated > that > > > this is about 300 times more contagious than “the > > flu” but > > > the actual rate of death to cases is lower. What is > the > > > definition of being “more deadly”? > > > > > > I disagree about shooting everyone though. I think we > > > should all be burned at the stake. This of course > > leads to > > > arguments about what kind of fuel to use and how to > > ignite it……. > > > > > > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of > > > *Steve Jones > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:11 PM > > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > > > > > so 2-4 off the firs list are off the first list. > > > > > > you could probably find somebody to argue number 1, if > > > nobody steps up, ill argue it > > > > > > settled science doesnt exist, thats the exact > opposite of > > > science > > > > > > i think we should just shoot everybody. thats got > > nothing to > > > do with the disease, we should just all be shot. a > > whole lot > > > less disagreement that way. Would never work though, > we > > > would never get past the caliber argument to even get > to > > > shooting > > > > > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:48 PM Robert Andrews > > > <i...@avantwireless.com > > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Not sure about a4. I don't think Hong Kong, > South > > > Korea, New Zealand, > > > Australia has the same statistics as anywhere > > else but > > > that depends upon > > > what statistics you are talking about. Hong > Kong > > > stands out the most. > > > Look at the cases and the deaths as of Today > > and you > > > will wonder WTF > > > are they making it all up? Could be, but most > think > > > they are accurate > > > because they dealt with SARS before, they really > knew > > > what they were > > > doing more than any other country. 4 deaths. > > > > > > On 05/05/2020 10:41 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: > > > > Can summarize this pretty easily. These are > > facts that probably we can > > > > agree upon. > > > > > > > > 1) Its a RNA based virus similar if not exactly > > like an > > > exosome. > > > > 2) Its definitely more deadly than the regular > flu > > > > 3) It isn't as deadly as everyone estimated it > > to be. (statistics and > > > > predictions are all off) > > > > 4) Countries who didn't close their economy has > > similar statistics than > > > > countries that did. > > > > 5) I'm still staying home either way just to be > > safe! > > > > > > > > These points are to be debated and NOBODY can > > say with > > > absolute > > > > certainty these things are correct. > > > > > > > > 1) The virus originated from China > > > > 2) It originated from a lab studying the virus. > > > > 3) It escaped either intentionally or > accidentally. > > > > 4) The demographics the virus impacts may or > > may not be > > > specific (old, > > > > young, white, black, asian etc) > > > > 5) The people reporting statistics for > > deaths/infections are 100% > > > > accurate. There are cases all over of under > > reporting and over reporting. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Steven Kenney > > > > Network Operations Manager > > > > WaveDirect Telecommunications > > > > http://www.wavedirect.net > > > > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com > > <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> > > > > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > > > > *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:59:03 PM > > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > > > > > > > It seems to me, that what really matters is how > > many deaths there have > > > > been in excess of what the average was for the > > same period in previous > > > > years (yes, I know that's what they're talking > > about in the NYT article, > > > > but I'm too lazy to read it all and see how > > much detail they go into). > > > > We can argue all day about whether somebody > > that died of a heart attack > > > > died because they had covid19 or whether they > > just had an unrelated > > > > heart attack and just happened to have a mild > > case of covid, and whether > > > > they should be counted, but in the end, it > > doesn't really > > > matter. If > > > > say, an average of 10,000 people died in X > state in > > > April for the past 5 > > > > years, and this year 15,000 died, then we can > > pretty safely blame 5,000 > > > > of those deaths on covid. It doesn't really > > matter if 6,000 people > > > > actually died of covid, but 1000 of them > > would've died of flu anyway, > > > > and it just happened to be covid that finished > > them off instead, or if > > > > 500 got so sick of sitting in front of the tv > > that they jumped off a > > > > bridge and were never infected. > > > > I don't think we'll ever have particularly > accurate > > > numbers of how many > > > > people directly died of the infection (other > > than maybe in Utah), but in > > > > a few months we should have pretty accurate > > numbers of how many excess > > > > deaths there were. > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 11:22 AM Ken Hohhof > > <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > > > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com > > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Those who suspect an “agenda” will > > immediately dispute these graphs > > > > because the source is NYT which they will > > perceive as biased. But > > > > if you read the article, they go out of > > their way to point out > > > > possible errors in the data, as well as > > other influences like > > > > overloaded healthcare system led to people > > dying of other causes, > > > > but also less deaths due to traffic and > > violence. And the data as > > > > Bill says is from other sources, the paper > > didn’t make them up to > > > > suit a political agenda or bias.____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > In other countries like Italy, no doubt the > > deaths were undercounted > > > > because the system was overwhelmed. Even > > in NYC, the morgues and > > > > crematories are overloaded, they are > > stuffing bodies in refrigerated > > > > semis, you can’t possibly claim these are > > just the normal deaths > > > > being mislabeled as Covid related to suit > > an agenda. Then you have > > > > all the prison and nursing home deaths. > > OK, sure, elderly > > > people > > > > croak all the time, it’s a hoax.____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > > > > <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:02 AM > > > > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > The numbers posted on various web sites are > > neither government > > > > sourced or corporate sourced. Hospitals, > > clinics, and morgues are > > > > supplying the numbers. There is a level of > > uncertainty because of > > > > different criteria. That is true for the US > > cases, but probably not > > > > for other countries. For example, the > > numbers coming from China (and > > > > several other countries) are by design > > government based. But to > > > > brush them all off as "government or > > corporations" is being naive at > > > > least.____ > > > > > > > > I would not say that "most" patients have > > pre-existing conditions. > > > > Maybe a high percentage, but it does not > > explain why such a large > > > > number of otherwise healthy people are > > being infected > > > the way they > > > > are. At some point, we will figure out that > > there is a genetic or > > > > environmental factor that we just do not > > understand yet.____ > > > > > > > > I (for one) do not believe the numbers are > > 100% accurate, but I also > > > > do not believe the numbers are 100% > > fictitious either. Where > > > you cut > > > > off is probably a personal thing.____ > > > > > > > > bp____ > > > > > > > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > On 5/5/2020 6:55 AM, Steven Kenney > wrote:____ > > > > > > > > You guys work with statistics much? > > You think the numbers are > > > > accurate? At what point have you ever > > seen government or > > > > corporations represent 100% accurate > > numbers?____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > I'll let you do your own homework. But > > I've seen hundreds of > > > > reports from all over the place of > > deaths of natural causes > > > > being classified as covid deaths. > > Since most patients have > > > > existing conditions and many were > > already dying and died of > > > > those conditions (heart attack, cancer > > etc) are being > > > > attributed to covid. Some people have > > estimated that upward of > > > > 20% misrepresented. So as long as > > there is 1 case that is > > > > questionable - the statistics are not > > accurate. ____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Steven Kenney > > > > Network Operations Manager > > > > WaveDirect Telecommunications > > > > http://www.wavedirect.net > > > > (519)737-WAVE (9283)____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > *From: *"Bill Prince" > > <part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> > > > > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com > > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> > > > > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > > > > *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 2:04:16 PM > > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this > good?____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > The numbers are not "completely" false, > > but it's the best we can > > > > do when we don't actually test all the > > suspected infections. It > > > > also (probably) missed a whole lot of > > the early deaths, as they > > > > were miss-classified. If you think > > under-ground near-do-wells > > > > are planted in all the hospitals around > > the country and are > > > > coordinating false numbers on all the > > rest of us, then I have a > > > > tin hat that might fit real well.____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > bp____ > > > > > > > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > On 5/4/2020 10:48 AM, Steven Kenney > > wrote:____ > > > > > > > > Numbers are completely false. Even > > with that taken into > > > > regard it still is just as lethal > > as the regular flu. While > > > > it is way more harsh on people if > > they get it, most people > > > > have underlying conditions, or > > didn't know they had them, or > > > > didn't take it serious when they > > got it. ____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > Unfortunately politicians never > > waste a crisis to further > > > > their agenda. ____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Steven Kenney > > > > Network Operations Manager > > > > WaveDirect Telecommunications > > > > http://www.wavedirect.net > > > > (519)737-WAVE (9283)____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > *From: *"chuck" <ch...@wbmfg.com > > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com > > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> > > > > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com > > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > > > > *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 > 12:30:08 PM > > > > *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Is this > good?____ > > > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > > > image____ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > Every time I get my hopes up this > > curve breaks my heart... > > > > Let’s hope we are on the tail of a > > normal curve. ____ > > > > > > > > 6 days in a row decline. 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