Swiss Doctor the FACTS about Covid19
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
Fact #1 is disturbing already.
According to data from the best-studied countries and regions, the
lethality of Covid19 is on averageabout 0.20%
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zC3kW1sMu0sjnT_vP1sh4zL0tF6fIHbA6fcG5RQdqSc/>,
which is in the range of a severeinfluenza
<https://www.ebm-netzwerk.de/en/publications/covid-19>(flu) and about
twenty times lower than originallyassumed
<https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-by-age-countries-2020-3>by
the WHO.
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*From: *"Steven Kenney" <st...@wavedirect.org>
*To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:12:52 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
More interesting reading.
Here is an interesting site I've been following that shows the
mutations, and branches of mutations and their genomes.
https://nextstrain.org/ncov
Lets take all the figures into proportion. Is this worse than previous
bad years?
http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/
Are shutdowns really having any tangible effect? Several medical papers
have been submitted, here is just one.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20078717v1
*"Full lockdown policies in Western Europe countries have no evident
impacts on the COVID-19 epidemic."*
The 6 foot rule effective?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/01/two-metre-rule-reviewed-amid-hope-relaxed-restrictions-could/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8256109/Social-distancing-two-metres-apart-based-figure-says-government-adviser.html
" Social distancing orders for people to keep two metres apart to stop
the spread of coronavirus
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/coronavirus/index.html> is not based
on any scientific research, a government adviser has said."
The Brits had a similar health crisis in 68'
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/02/britain-handled-1968-flu-epidemic-shutdown-avoided-second-wave/
I've also attached a picture that was leaked early on when it was
detected(of a piece of the actual genome). It shows some interesting
differences that don't adhere to the normal mutation process of a corona
virus. They are claimed to be "insertions".
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*From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
*To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 8:50:24 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Cats are trouble.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG5mOd8Ubsk
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 7:29 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Utah cats are easier to herd than NY cats.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 5/5/2020 5:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
We have been under 1 in Utah for some time now.
*From:*Bill Prince
*Sent:*Tuesday, May 5, 2020 5:51 PM
*To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Remember what I sent out about a month or so ago about all the
different strains of the virus they've identified? If we get a
vaccine in a year or so, it will probably end up being only useful
for a strain of the virus that has died out by then.
I listened to this yesterday (this morning actually, but I digress).
It is about the best description of R, R0 (R nought), and other
variations of R. The point being is that I misunderstood the concept
of "flattening the curve". I had thought that reducing the spread
would end up infecting the same number of people over a longer
period of time (so that we don't overwhelm the health system). Turns
out, that if it's done right, you don't flatten the curve, but you
crush the curve. I also believe that the widely varied
infection/death rates comes from a wide variety of factors;
population density, version of the virus(es) that are "local",
extent of social distancing, etc. etc. However, getting 330 million
Americans to follow a plan is way, way worse than herding cats.
https://www.marketplace.org/shows/make-me-smart-with-kai-and-molly/is-the-simulation-breaking-cruises-are-going-to-set-sail-again/
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 5/5/2020 1:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I assume everyone saw the news item today about researchers
saying the original Wuhan virus mutated to a more contagious
strain that has pushed out its less aggressive predecessor in
Europe and the US east coast. That certainly throws cold water
on some of the vaccine optimism that was starting to build.
Also, the way humans are reacting to this (and to climate change
before it) is starting to make me think we are no better at
handling new threats than the dinosaurs were when an asteroid
triggered an ice age. And that we may all (not just the weak
and old among us) go the way of the dinosaurs. I mean jeez,
folks, it hasn’t even been 2 months and we’re turning on each
other and shooting guards at Family Dollar and talking about
gutting and eating our neighbors. (and their stash of Vienna
sausages?)
https://dilbert.com/strip/1990-07-05
*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 3:25 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Need to see if they will float first.
*From:*James Howard
*Sent:*Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:17 PM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Seems that what was proved by this is that nobody can even agree
on what they agree about.
I certainly don’t agree with #2. It is most certainly WAY more
contagious and easily spread than “the flu” but until we’ve gone
a full year we won’t know what the actual % death rate is (if we
even know then due to all the debates about what is counted).
One of the articles posted along the way here stated that this
is about 300 times more contagious than “the flu” but the actual
rate of death to cases is lower. What is the definition of
being “more deadly”?
I disagree about shooting everyone though. I think we should
all be burned at the stake. This of course leads to arguments
about what kind of fuel to use and how to ignite it…….
*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve
Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:11 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
so 2-4 off the firs list are off the first list.
you could probably find somebody to argue number 1, if nobody
steps up, ill argue it
settled science doesnt exist, thats the exact opposite of science
i think we should just shoot everybody. thats got nothing to do
with the disease, we should just all be shot. a whole lot less
disagreement that way. Would never work though, we would never
get past the caliber argument to even get to shooting
On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:48 PM Robert Andrews
<i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
Not sure about a4. I don't think Hong Kong, South Korea,
New Zealand,
Australia has the same statistics as anywhere else but that
depends upon
what statistics you are talking about. Hong Kong stands
out the most.
Look at the cases and the deaths as of Today and you
will wonder WTF
are they making it all up? Could be, but most think they
are accurate
because they dealt with SARS before, they really knew what
they were
doing more than any other country. 4 deaths.
On 05/05/2020 10:41 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> Can summarize this pretty easily. These are facts that probably we can
> agree upon.
>
> 1) Its a RNA based virus similar if not exactly like an exosome.
> 2) Its definitely more deadly than the regular flu
> 3) It isn't as deadly as everyone estimated it to be. (statistics and
> predictions are all off)
> 4) Countries who didn't close their economy has similar statistics than
> countries that did.
> 5) I'm still staying home either way just to be safe!
>
> These points are to be debated and NOBODY can say with absolute
> certainty these things are correct.
>
> 1) The virus originated from China
> 2) It originated from a lab studying the virus.
> 3) It escaped either intentionally or accidentally.
> 4) The demographics the virus impacts may or may not be specific (old,
> young, white, black, asian etc)
> 5) The people reporting statistics for deaths/infections are 100%
> accurate. There are cases all over of under reporting and over reporting.
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com
<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:59:03 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
> It seems to me, that what really matters is how many deaths there have
> been in excess of what the average was for the same period in previous
> years (yes, I know that's what they're talking about in the NYT article,
> but I'm too lazy to read it all and see how much detail they go into).
> We can argue all day about whether somebody that died of a heart attack
> died because they had covid19 or whether they just had an unrelated
> heart attack and just happened to have a mild case of covid, and whether
> they should be counted, but in the end, it doesn't really matter. If
> say, an average of 10,000 people died in X state in April for the past 5
> years, and this year 15,000 died, then we can pretty safely blame 5,000
> of those deaths on covid. It doesn't really matter if 6,000 people
> actually died of covid, but 1000 of them would've died of flu anyway,
> and it just happened to be covid that finished them off instead, or if
> 500 got so sick of sitting in front of the tv that they jumped off a
> bridge and were never infected.
> I don't think we'll ever have particularly accurate numbers of how many
> people directly died of the infection (other than maybe in Utah), but in
> a few months we should have pretty accurate numbers of how many excess
> deaths there were.
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 11:22 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com%20%0b>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>
> Those who suspect an “agenda” will immediately dispute these graphs
> because the source is NYT which they will perceive as biased.
But
> if you read the article, they go out of their way to point out
> possible errors in the data, as well as other influences like
> overloaded healthcare system led to people dying of other
causes,
> but also less deaths due to traffic and violence. And the
data as
> Bill says is from other sources, the paper didn’t make them
up to
> suit a political agenda or bias.____
>
> __ __
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html____
>
> __ __
>
> In other countries like Italy, no doubt the deaths were undercounted
> because the system was overwhelmed. Even in NYC, the morgues
and
> crematories are overloaded, they are stuffing bodies in
refrigerated
> semis, you can’t possibly claim these are just the normal
deaths
> being mislabeled as Covid related to suit an agenda. Then
you have
> all the prison and nursing home deaths. OK, sure, elderly
people
> croak all the time, it’s a hoax.____
>
> __ __
>
> __ __
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%0b>>
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:02 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
>
> __ __
>
> The numbers posted on various web sites are neither government
> sourced or corporate sourced. Hospitals, clinics, and morgues
are
> supplying the numbers. There is a level of uncertainty
because of
> different criteria. That is true for the US cases, but
probably not
> for other countries. For example, the numbers coming from
China (and
> several other countries) are by design government based. But
to
> brush them all off as "government or corporations" is being
naive at
> least.____
>
> I would not say that "most" patients have pre-existing conditions.
> Maybe a high percentage, but it does not explain why such a
large
> number of otherwise healthy people are being infected the way
they
> are. At some point, we will figure out that there is a
genetic or
> environmental factor that we just do not understand yet.____
>
> I (for one) do not believe the numbers are 100% accurate, but I also
> do not believe the numbers are 100% fictitious either. Where
you cut
> off is probably a personal thing.____
>
> bp____
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____
>
> __ __
>
> On 5/5/2020 6:55 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:____
>
> You guys work with statistics much? You think the numbers are
> accurate? At what point have you ever seen government or
> corporations represent 100% accurate numbers?____
>
> __ __
>
> I'll let you do your own homework. But I've seen hundreds of
> reports from all over the place of deaths of natural
causes
> being classified as covid deaths. Since most patients
have
> existing conditions and many were already dying and died
of
> those conditions (heart attack, cancer etc) are being
> attributed to covid. Some people have estimated that
upward of
> 20% misrepresented. So as long as there is 1 case that is
> questionable - the statistics are not accurate. ____
>
> __ __
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)____
>
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> *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 2:04:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
>
> __ __
>
> The numbers are not "completely" false, but it's the best we can
> do when we don't actually test all the suspected
infections. It
> also (probably) missed a whole lot of the early deaths,
as they
> were miss-classified. If you think under-ground
near-do-wells
> are planted in all the hospitals around the country and
are
> coordinating false numbers on all the rest of us, then I
have a
> tin hat that might fit real well.____
>
> __ __
>
> bp____
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____
>
> __ __
>
> On 5/4/2020 10:48 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:____
>
> Numbers are completely false. Even with that taken into
> regard it still is just as lethal as the regular flu.
While
> it is way more harsh on people if they get it, most
people
> have underlying conditions, or didn't know they had
them, or
> didn't take it serious when they got it. ____
>
> __ __
>
> Unfortunately politicians never waste a crisis to further
> their agenda. ____
>
> __ __
>
> --
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> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)____
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> *From: *"chuck" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 12:30:08 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
>
> __ __
>
> image____
>
> ____
>
> Every time I get my hopes up this curve breaks my heart...
> Let’s hope we are on the tail of a normal curve. ____
>
> 6 days in a row decline. But it has done this cycle 3 times
> before with a huge spike after. ____
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