I would have loved to have grown up during that time, i grew up with
the challenger, quite a different feel
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 12:50 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Corona has a higher case fatality rate than the ‘68 Hong Kong flu.
1.1% so far world wide.
Spanish flu was 2.5%
1968 flu was only .5%
And it was a big deal.
All the grups were conclaving on what to do about it.
Lots of consternation. There was talk of extending xmas school
break which I thought was pretty nice.
But I was more interested in the Apollo program and chasing girls.
And most of the sites I have looked at show the HK flu killing
38,000 in the US
*From:* Steven Kenney
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:04 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Woodstock happened in the middle of a pandemic. Whats the
difference now?
t was the summer of love: in 1969 a half a million people gathered
together to listen to music, take drugs, have sex, roll around in
the mud, and share a densely populated area for one long weekend.
And guess what? The whole thing happened during a health pandemic.
In 1968 the H3N2 pandemic came to the US from Hong Kong.It killed
more than 100,000 Americans, mostly over the age of 65, which was
more combined fatalities than both the Vietnam and Korean Wars.
<https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html>Schools,
movie theaters, bars, tattoo parlors, restaurants, and, of course,
concerts venues stayed open. The stock market didn’t crash, Congress
didn’t issue a lock down order, the Federal reserve had no
involvement, there was no spike in the suicide rate, violent
criminals weren’t freed from jail, and nobody arrested surfers or
hair stylists.
https://www.aier.org/article/woodstock-occurred-in-the-middle-of-a-pandemic/
-- Steven Kenney
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*To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:28:04 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Swiss Doctor the FACTS about Covid19
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
Fact #1 is disturbing already.
According to data from the best-studied countries and regions, the
lethality of Covid19 is on average about 0.20%
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zC3kW1sMu0sjnT_vP1sh4zL0tF6fIHbA6fcG5RQdqSc/>,
which is in the range of a severe influenza
<https://www.ebm-netzwerk.de/en/publications/covid-19>(flu) and
about twenty times lower than originally assumed
<https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-by-age-countries-2020-3>by
the WHO.
-- Steven Kenney
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<mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
*To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Wednesday, May 6, 2020 12:12:52 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
More interesting reading.
Here is an interesting site I've been following that shows the
mutations, and branches of mutations and their genomes.
https://nextstrain.org/ncov
Lets take all the figures into proportion. Is this worse than
previous bad years?
http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/
Are shutdowns really having any tangible effect? Several medical
papers have been submitted, here is just one.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20078717v1
*"Full lockdown policies in Western Europe countries have no evident
impacts on the COVID-19 epidemic."*
The 6 foot rule effective?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/01/two-metre-rule-reviewed-amid-hope-relaxed-restrictions-could/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8256109/Social-distancing-two-metres-apart-based-figure-says-government-adviser.html
" Social distancing orders for people to keep two metres apart to
stop the spread of coronavirus
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/coronavirus/index.html>is not
based on any scientific research, a government adviser has said."
The Brits had a similar health crisis in 68'
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/02/britain-handled-1968-flu-epidemic-shutdown-avoided-second-wave/
I've also attached a picture that was leaked early on when it was
detected(of a piece of the actual genome). It shows some
interesting differences that don't adhere to the normal mutation
process of a corona virus. They are claimed to be "insertions".
-- Steven Kenney
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*From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
*To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 8:50:24 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Cats are trouble.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG5mOd8Ubsk
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
*On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 7:29 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Utah cats are easier to herd than NY cats.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 5/5/2020 5:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
We have been under 1 in Utah for some time now.
*From:*Bill Prince
*Sent:*Tuesday, May 5, 2020 5:51 PM
*To:*af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Remember what I sent out about a month or so ago about all the
different strains of the virus they've identified? If we get a
vaccine in a year or so, it will probably end up being only
useful for a strain of the virus that has died out by then.
I listened to this yesterday (this morning actually, but I
digress). It is about the best description of R, R0 (R nought),
and other variations of R. The point being is that I
misunderstood the concept of "flattening the curve". I had
thought that reducing the spread would end up infecting the same
number of people over a longer period of time (so that we don't
overwhelm the health system). Turns out, that if it's done
right, you don't flatten the curve, but you crush the curve. I
also believe that the widely varied infection/death rates comes
from a wide variety of factors; population density, version of
the virus(es) that are "local", extent of social distancing,
etc. etc. However, getting 330 million Americans to follow a
plan is way, way worse than herding cats.
https://www.marketplace.org/shows/make-me-smart-with-kai-and-molly/is-the-simulation-breaking-cruises-are-going-to-set-sail-again/
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 5/5/2020 1:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I assume everyone saw the news item today about researchers
saying the original Wuhan virus mutated to a more contagious
strain that has pushed out its less aggressive predecessor
in Europe and the US east coast. That certainly throws cold
water on some of the vaccine optimism that was starting to
build.
Also, the way humans are reacting to this (and to climate
change before it) is starting to make me think we are no
better at handling new threats than the dinosaurs were when
an asteroid triggered an ice age. And that we may all (not
just the weak and old among us) go the way of the dinosaurs.
I mean jeez, folks, it hasn’t even been 2 months and we’re
turning on each other and shooting guards at Family Dollar
and talking about gutting and eating our neighbors. (and
their stash of Vienna sausages?)
https://dilbert.com/strip/1990-07-05
*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 3:25 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Need to see if they will float first.
*From:*James Howard
*Sent:*Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:17 PM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Seems that what was proved by this is that nobody can even
agree on what they agree about.
I certainly don’t agree with #2. It is most certainly WAY
more contagious and easily spread than “the flu” but until
we’ve gone a full year we won’t know what the actual % death
rate is (if we even know then due to all the debates about
what is counted).
One of the articles posted along the way here stated that
this is about 300 times more contagious than “the flu” but
the actual rate of death to cases is lower. What is the
definition of being “more deadly”?
I disagree about shooting everyone though. I think we
should all be burned at the stake. This of course leads to
arguments about what kind of fuel to use and how to
ignite it…….
*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:11 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
so 2-4 off the firs list are off the first list.
you could probably find somebody to argue number 1, if
nobody steps up, ill argue it
settled science doesnt exist, thats the exact opposite of
science
i think we should just shoot everybody. thats got nothing to
do with the disease, we should just all be shot. a whole lot
less disagreement that way. Would never work though, we
would never get past the caliber argument to even get to
shooting
On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:48 PM Robert Andrews
<i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
Not sure about a4. I don't think Hong Kong, South
Korea, New Zealand,
Australia has the same statistics as anywhere else but
that depends upon
what statistics you are talking about. Hong Kong
stands out the most.
Look at the cases and the deaths as of Today and you
will wonder WTF
are they making it all up? Could be, but most think
they are accurate
because they dealt with SARS before, they really knew
what they were
doing more than any other country. 4 deaths.
On 05/05/2020 10:41 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> Can summarize this pretty easily. These are facts
that probably we can
> agree upon.
> > 1) Its a RNA based virus similar
if not exactly like an
exosome.
> 2) Its definitely more deadly than the regular flu
> 3) It isn't as deadly as everyone estimated it to
be. (statistics and
> predictions are all off)
> 4) Countries who didn't close their economy has
similar statistics than
> countries that did.
> 5) I'm still staying home either way just to be safe!
> > These points are to be debated
and NOBODY can say with
absolute
> certainty these things are correct.
> > 1) The virus originated from China
> 2) It originated from a lab studying the virus.
> 3) It escaped either intentionally or accidentally.
> 4) The demographics the virus impacts may or may
not be
specific (old,
> young, white, black, asian etc)
> 5) The people reporting statistics for
deaths/infections are 100%
> accurate. There are cases all over of under
reporting and over reporting.
> > -- > Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
> >
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> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:59:03 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
> > It seems to me, that what really
matters is how many deaths there have
> been in excess of what the average was for the same
period in previous
> years (yes, I know that's what they're talking
about in the NYT article,
> but I'm too lazy to read it all and see how much
detail they go into).
> We can argue all day about whether somebody that
died of a heart attack
> died because they had covid19 or whether they just
had an unrelated
> heart attack and just happened to have a mild case
of covid, and whether
> they should be counted, but in the end, it doesn't
really
matter. If
> say, an average of 10,000 people died in X state in
April for the past 5
> years, and this year 15,000 died, then we can
pretty safely blame 5,000
> of those deaths on covid. It doesn't really matter
if 6,000 people
> actually died of covid, but 1000 of them would've
died of flu anyway,
> and it just happened to be covid that finished them
off instead, or if
> 500 got so sick of sitting in front of the tv that
they jumped off a
> bridge and were never infected.
> I don't think we'll ever have particularly accurate
numbers of how many
> people directly died of the infection (other than
maybe in Utah), but in
> a few months we should have pretty accurate numbers
of how many excess
> deaths there were.
> > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 11:22 AM
Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> > Those who suspect an “agenda”
will immediately dispute these graphs
> because the source is NYT which they will
perceive as biased. But
> if you read the article, they go out of their
way to point out
> possible errors in the data, as well as other
influences like
> overloaded healthcare system led to people
dying of other causes,
> but also less deaths due to traffic and
violence. And the data as
> Bill says is from other sources, the paper
didn’t make them up to
> suit a political agenda or bias.____
> > __ __
> >
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html____
> > __ __
> > In other countries like
Italy, no doubt the deaths were undercounted
> because the system was overwhelmed. Even in
NYC, the morgues and
> crematories are overloaded, they are stuffing
bodies in refrigerated
> semis, you can’t possibly claim these are just
the normal deaths
> being mislabeled as Covid related to suit an
agenda. Then you have
> all the prison and nursing home deaths. OK,
sure, elderly
people
> croak all the time, it’s a hoax.____
> > __ __
> > __ __
> > *From:* AF
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com
> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:02 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
> > __ __
> > The numbers posted on various
web sites are neither government
> sourced or corporate sourced. Hospitals,
clinics, and morgues are
> supplying the numbers. There is a level of
uncertainty because of
> different criteria. That is true for the US
cases, but probably not
> for other countries. For example, the numbers
coming from China (and
> several other countries) are by design
government based. But to
> brush them all off as "government or
corporations" is being naive at
> least.____
> > I would not say that "most"
patients have pre-existing conditions.
> Maybe a high percentage, but it does not
explain why such a large
> number of otherwise healthy people are being
infected
the way they
> are. At some point, we will figure out that
there is a genetic or
> environmental factor that we just do not
understand yet.____
> > I (for one) do not believe
the numbers are 100% accurate, but I also
> do not believe the numbers are 100% fictitious
either. Where
you cut
> off is probably a personal thing.____
> > bp____
> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____
> > __ __
> > On 5/5/2020 6:55 AM, Steven
Kenney wrote:____
> > You guys work with
statistics much? You think the numbers are
> accurate? At what point have you ever seen
government or
> corporations represent 100% accurate
numbers?____
> > __ __
> > I'll let you do your own
homework. But I've seen hundreds of
> reports from all over the place of deaths
of natural causes
> being classified as covid deaths. Since
most patients have
> existing conditions and many were already
dying and died of
> those conditions (heart attack, cancer
etc) are being
> attributed to covid. Some people have
estimated that upward of
> 20% misrepresented. So as long as there is
1 case that is
> questionable - the statistics are not
accurate. ____
> > __ __
> > --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)____
> > __ __
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> > *From: *"Bill Prince"
<part15...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 2:04:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
> > __ __
> > The numbers are not
"completely" false, but it's the best we can
> do when we don't actually test all the
suspected infections. It
> also (probably) missed a whole lot of the
early deaths, as they
> were miss-classified. If you think
under-ground near-do-wells
> are planted in all the hospitals around the
country and are
> coordinating false numbers on all the rest
of us, then I have a
> tin hat that might fit real well.____
> > __ __
> > bp____
> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____
> > __ __
> > On 5/4/2020 10:48 AM,
Steven Kenney wrote:____
> > Numbers are
completely false. Even with that taken into
> regard it still is just as lethal as
the regular flu. While
> it is way more harsh on people if they
get it, most people
> have underlying conditions, or didn't
know they had them, or
> didn't take it serious when they got
it. ____
> > __ __
> > Unfortunately politicians never
waste a crisis to further
> their agenda. ____
> > __ __
> > --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)____
> > __ __
> >
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> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 12:30:08 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
> > __ __
> > image____
> > ____
> > Every time I get my
hopes up this curve breaks my heart...
> Let’s hope we are on the tail of a
normal curve. ____
> > 6 days in a row
decline. But it has done this cycle 3 times
> before with a huge spike after. ____
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