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*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:13 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Dang, not normal
Steve, the usual solution is for nervous dwelling beings to engage
in “spring cleaning”, to the annoyance of all other dwelling beings.
https://www.gocomics.com/breaking-cat-news/2020/04/26
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Dang, not normal
I just reread that and am going to have to call a lent. Sorry
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020, 12:19 AM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
That's another thing that really needs kicked to the curb,
political correctness. This is serious business, and housewives
get nervous. A nervous housewife can make a whole lot of bad
decisions. Those bad decisions have real world consequenses that
dont care about being politically correct. You can say house
person if you want. Well maybe being, since son is in person,
indicating Male, if a gender actually exists. And I guess house
indicates some level of financial status.
Would you feel better about "dwelling being".
"Keeping dwelling beings occupied and less nervous" does that
make you feel better?
Fyi, that's specifically the reason I have my wife, who is
suffering severe post partum depression in the middle of the end
of the world, looking for templates on making masks, so i dont
come home to the real world consequense of my babies drown in
the bathtub. I'm not quite sure if her doing that would be PC or
not.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 11:56 PM Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com
<mailto:br...@pooh.com>> wrote:
“keeping housewives occupied and less nervous”
Really? You’re aware this is 2020, right?
On Apr 25, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
You asked
What was recomended by the White House. Regional opening
with result driven response. (Without rhetoric, example,
my county TRIPLED its cases over the weekend. It went
from 1 to 3, the 2 new ones are related, so the increase
is pretty irrelevant.) Tracing is more important than
testing. That's just a matter of fact, testing is a
slice in time, you can be infected, and test negative if
you were recently infected, you can get infected at a
test site. You can test positive from an environmental
exposure without having actually caught it. It's like
MRSA of the nairs.
Once identified, the tracing leads back to likely
hotspots. I'd personally put the bulk of the funding
into tracing. Use every bit of data volunteered.
Particularly request the tracking data from mobile
devices. If its volunteered, you have a map. If they
dont, well, you work with what you have.
"Testing" is a tool of politics. The only way to
effectively test would be real time monitoring. Which A.
Doesnt exist and B. Wouldn't be feasible.
The governors each now have in their possession the
location of every single test processing facility in the
nation. So what little relevance testing actually plays
in management is their responsibility to delegate
coordination. So it's a moot issue.
Any location exposed in tracing gets a mandatory scrub
scrub (to be honest, I dont understand any public venue
that wouldn't be surface decontaminating once ever 24
hours minimum anyway, there's no shortage of killitol
level disinfectants)
I think the mandatory face covering is nonsense. If it
were mandatory rated filtration masks that would be
different.
But there isnt a production capacity for that on the
entire planet. But since it makes people feel like
they're doing something, I'm all for it. Placebo is
actually a powerful medication for much of what ails
society. Plus the homemade masks are keeping housewives
occupied and less nervous. That actually matters.
Occasionally a tracing may require a mandatory
compensated closure. Example being a county here in
illinois that has a processor who has over 20 employees
infected, they're still operational. There is autonomy
and constitutional rights, and then there is stupidity
and a true public health risk. That falls under the
latter and should be closed pending decontamination.
A forcible closure, from a document able and legitimate
public health risk should require medical screening of
all staff/administration prior to resuming activities.
There is no shortage of available healthcare
practitioners right now, so depts of public health can
contract that . Once again, the focus should be on
tracing. Heavily funded tracing. "Patient zero" in the
above mentioned case has probably long since recovered.
Tracing is where they are identified, as theyll test
negative now. Cases like this are where antibody testing
should be prioritized, assuming there is consent.
Tracing
The same applies to public venues. If tracing identifies
probable contamination, the venue scrubs. Applicable
staff are cleared, tracing, tracing tracing. Video
surveillance has a huge role where it is voluntarily
submitted. Voluntarily being key and subjective, since
it will be a whole lot quicker to clear a location of
all tracing resources are made readily available. Call
it extortion if you want, it is what it is, and it is a
tool.
Metrics must be clearly defined. If two people happenned
to have been in the same place, it doesnt need to
necessarily be shut down. But the threshold must be
clearly defined. We have very little that is clearly
defined. That has a whole lot to do with the defiance.
Selling seeds being a prime example, at no point did
illinois shut that down, yet places cordoned them off
and facebook images went nuts. This is literally the
same thing that cause the rapid spread in the US, images
of empty shelves. Many of the people protesting still
dont know that nurseries and greenhouses were
specifically deemed essential last week, but that's why
they're there. Clearly define everything, on the state
and county websites. Accurate information is critical.
That and tracing.
Define regional thresholds for stages of opening. If a
region declines, shut it down. If a region does well,
progress the stages. Exactly as the feds recommend.
Define and justify every single essential and non
essential industry. With a mandatory state clarification
within 24 hours of a designation request. Justify being
key. And publicly accessible designations. This would be
fluid and ongoing.
Leisure activities need designations. Nuclear family
needs clarification. As it reads, I cant take my family
fishing in illinois because the designated limit is 2.
This will get police in situations with bad outcomes
because nobody bothered to clarify.
If a region's medical resources are verifiably and
documented to be taxed to a predefined and clearly
defined level, then ease back on the stages, all the way
to lockdown if need be. But media reports and public
opinion arent the metrics. The staffing levels and
documented patient loads define that.
I can continue
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 9:01 PM Chuck Macenski
<ch...@macenski.com <mailto:ch...@macenski.com>> wrote:
Would you please articulate specifically "what is
right" in this situation? I am asking for your
non-political opinion of the most constructive way
forward.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 8:24 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I sit back and watch as people contradict their
own statements. "Its going to be here like this
for years" "tests are growing, as is the number"
"it's been here longer than we think" "it hasn't
peaked because muh testing" "it's going to be
worse in fall" "mitigation has had a major impact"
The best is regarding the medication mien
fuehrer liked. "Its only anecdotal" "a tiny
group had a negative outcome, thisnis the gold
standard and this drug must be banned"
I live in a state where our governor is in a
pissing contest with the White House, but doing
pretty much what the White House recommends,
with the exception of looking at things by
region. We only have two regions, chicago, and
people who voted for the current president at
1600. So the whole of downstate will be punished
for not voting the right way. When asked about
the data, for the "science" behind this, we were
told the state doesnt own the data, so we cant
see it.
I'm part of a foster parent group. One of the
fosters is utterly destroyed right now. Her
prior ward, that she stayed in contact with died
3 days ago at 15. He had returned home, but went
back into the system during this (our state, in
its infinite wisdom has effectively shut down
the foster support system, non essential and
all) he couldn't come back to her because she is
at capacity. He had cancer and was in a drug
trial. He had been thriving. The governors
orders didnt allow for him to get access to the
trial resources, so he lost his trial spot, as
is the nature of trials. There were no resources
available to get him into a linear treatment. 3
days ago he succumbed to the complication. While
anecdotal, this is exactly what the cure being
worse than the disease looks like. Granted, the
speed at which he declined from thriving to dead
indicates underlying issues, the chicago
emperors orders made certain there were no
resources. Right now, thanks to the emperors
orders, there are approximately zero resources
available to the foster families. Anticipate a
whole lot of negative outcomes.
Point is, everybody is more concerned about
proving how wrong their political enemy is, that
nobody is even actually looking for what is right.
Thankfully mother nature doesnt care and this
will, like all ailments of proximity, diminish
in the next week or so.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 5:48 PM Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Just listened (in part) to a discussion
about COVID-19 as it regards China/US
relations. It is a discussion between
Dubner, Michèle Flournoy ( former
undersecretary of defense and co-founder of
strategic-advisory firm WestExec.), and
Michael Auslin (historian at Stanford
University’s Hoover Institution).
Within the discussion Auslin asserts that
the death toll within Wuhan alone was
between 45 and 47 thousand; at least 10X
what they have reported through official
channels. He gets his data through
croudsourcing crematoria activity and the
number of people picking up urns of deceased
family members.
If you don't have time to listen to this, it
is at least worth a read of the transcript.
https://freakonomics.com/podcast/covid-19-china/
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/25/2020 3:11 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
This virus doesn't care if you are a
Republican, a Democrat, an Independent,
agnostic, religious or an atheist...if
it gets you it might kill you...
Stay smart, listen to doctors and
scientists....not ineptus maximus
politicians.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 12:45 PM Bill
Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
As we test more, we are undoubtedly
going to find more cases that were
previously going undetected
(asymptomatic infection). This is a
long way from over. The other thing
we have not come to grips with is
the uneven spread/mitigation.
There was an interesting graphic for
the state of California showing the
state as a whole versus just the Bay
Area (Mercury News this morning).
The 7 counties around the bay
instituted shelter in place very
early, and it's beginning to show in
the statistics. The Bay Area
accounts for almost 18% of the
entire state population (7 of the 40
million).
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/25/2020 8:45 AM,
ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Might be Chebyshev BPF though...
hopefully...Bessell.
Hopefully not high pass...
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