https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfLVxx_lBLU&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2Z1n4E0sxMyXc82UZxrXNKJqf9oaC_kF53Be6NZaVPnuP8jwTDKxk5w4g
*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:13 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Dang, not normal
Steve, the usual solution is for nervous dwelling beings to engage
in “spring cleaning”, to the annoyance of all other dwelling beings.
https://www.gocomics.com/breaking-cat-news/2020/04/26
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
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I just reread that and am going to have to call a lent. Sorry
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020, 12:19 AM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
That's another thing that really needs kicked to the curb,
political correctness. This is serious business, and housewives
get nervous. A nervous housewife can make a whole lot of bad
decisions. Those bad decisions have real world consequenses
that dont care about being politically correct. You can say
house person if you want. Well maybe being, since son is in
person, indicating Male, if a gender actually exists. And I
guess house indicates some level of financial status.
Would you feel better about "dwelling being".
"Keeping dwelling beings occupied and less nervous" does that
make you feel better?
Fyi, that's specifically the reason I have my wife, who is
suffering severe post partum depression in the middle of the
end of the world, looking for templates on making masks, so i
dont come home to the real world consequense of my babies drown
in the bathtub. I'm not quite sure if her doing that would be
PC or not.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 11:56 PM Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com>
wrote:
“keeping housewives occupied and less nervous”
Really? You’re aware this is 2020, right?
On Apr 25, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
You asked
What was recomended by the White House. Regional
opening with result driven response. (Without rhetoric,
example, my county TRIPLED its cases over the weekend.
It went from 1 to 3, the 2 new ones are related, so the
increase is pretty irrelevant.) Tracing is more
important than testing. That's just a matter of fact,
testing is a slice in time, you can be infected, and
test negative if you were recently infected, you can
get infected at a test site. You can test positive from
an environmental exposure without having actually
caught it. It's like MRSA of the nairs.
Once identified, the tracing leads back to likely
hotspots. I'd personally put the bulk of the funding
into tracing. Use every bit of data volunteered.
Particularly request the tracking data from mobile
devices. If its volunteered, you have a map. If they
dont, well, you work with what you have.
"Testing" is a tool of politics. The only way to
effectively test would be real time monitoring. Which
A. Doesnt exist and B. Wouldn't be feasible.
The governors each now have in their possession the
location of every single test processing facility in
the nation. So what little relevance testing actually
plays in management is their responsibility to delegate
coordination. So it's a moot issue.
Any location exposed in tracing gets a mandatory scrub
scrub (to be honest, I dont understand any public venue
that wouldn't be surface decontaminating once ever 24
hours minimum anyway, there's no shortage of killitol
level disinfectants)
I think the mandatory face covering is nonsense. If it
were mandatory rated filtration masks that would be
different.
But there isnt a production capacity for that on the
entire planet. But since it makes people feel like
they're doing something, I'm all for it. Placebo is
actually a powerful medication for much of what ails
society. Plus the homemade masks are keeping housewives
occupied and less nervous. That actually matters.
Occasionally a tracing may require a mandatory
compensated closure. Example being a county here in
illinois that has a processor who has over 20 employees
infected, they're still operational. There is autonomy
and constitutional rights, and then there is stupidity
and a true public health risk. That falls under the
latter and should be closed pending decontamination.
A forcible closure, from a document able and legitimate
public health risk should require medical screening of
all staff/administration prior to resuming activities.
There is no shortage of available healthcare
practitioners right now, so depts of public health can
contract that . Once again, the focus should be on
tracing. Heavily funded tracing. "Patient zero" in the
above mentioned case has probably long since recovered.
Tracing is where they are identified, as theyll test
negative now. Cases like this are where antibody
testing should be prioritized, assuming there is consent.
Tracing
The same applies to public venues. If tracing
identifies probable contamination, the venue scrubs.
Applicable staff are cleared, tracing, tracing tracing.
Video surveillance has a huge role where it is
voluntarily submitted. Voluntarily being key and
subjective, since it will be a whole lot quicker to
clear a location of all tracing resources are made
readily available. Call it extortion if you want, it is
what it is, and it is a tool.
Metrics must be clearly defined. If two people
happenned to have been in the same place, it doesnt
need to necessarily be shut down. But the threshold
must be clearly defined. We have very little that is
clearly defined. That has a whole lot to do with the
defiance. Selling seeds being a prime example, at no
point did illinois shut that down, yet places cordoned
them off and facebook images went nuts. This is
literally the same thing that cause the rapid spread in
the US, images of empty shelves. Many of the people
protesting still dont know that nurseries and
greenhouses were specifically deemed essential last
week, but that's why they're there. Clearly define
everything, on the state and county websites. Accurate
information is critical. That and tracing.
Define regional thresholds for stages of opening. If a
region declines, shut it down. If a region does well,
progress the stages. Exactly as the feds recommend.
Define and justify every single essential and non
essential industry. With a mandatory state
clarification within 24 hours of a designation request.
Justify being key. And publicly accessible
designations. This would be fluid and ongoing.
Leisure activities need designations. Nuclear family
needs clarification. As it reads, I cant take my family
fishing in illinois because the designated limit is 2.
This will get police in situations with bad outcomes
because nobody bothered to clarify.
If a region's medical resources are verifiably and
documented to be taxed to a predefined and clearly
defined level, then ease back on the stages, all the
way to lockdown if need be. But media reports and
public opinion arent the metrics. The staffing levels
and documented patient loads define that.
I can continue
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 9:01 PM Chuck Macenski
<ch...@macenski.com> wrote:
Would you please articulate specifically "what is
right" in this situation? I am asking for your
non-political opinion of the most constructive way
forward.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 8:24 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
I sit back and watch as people contradict their
own statements. "Its going to be here like this
for years" "tests are growing, as is the
number" "it's been here longer than we think"
"it hasn't peaked because muh testing" "it's
going to be worse in fall" "mitigation has had
a major impact"
The best is regarding the medication mien
fuehrer liked. "Its only anecdotal" "a tiny
group had a negative outcome, thisnis the gold
standard and this drug must be banned"
I live in a state where our governor is in a
pissing contest with the White House, but doing
pretty much what the White House recommends,
with the exception of looking at things by
region. We only have two regions, chicago, and
people who voted for the current president at
1600. So the whole of downstate will be
punished for not voting the right way. When
asked about the data, for the "science" behind
this, we were told the state doesnt own the
data, so we cant see it.
I'm part of a foster parent group. One of the
fosters is utterly destroyed right now. Her
prior ward, that she stayed in contact with
died 3 days ago at 15. He had returned home,
but went back into the system during this (our
state, in its infinite wisdom has effectively
shut down the foster support system, non
essential and all) he couldn't come back to her
because she is at capacity. He had cancer and
was in a drug trial. He had been thriving. The
governors orders didnt allow for him to get
access to the trial resources, so he lost his
trial spot, as is the nature of trials. There
were no resources available to get him into a
linear treatment. 3 days ago he succumbed to
the complication. While anecdotal, this is
exactly what the cure being worse than the
disease looks like. Granted, the speed at which
he declined from thriving to dead indicates
underlying issues, the chicago emperors orders
made certain there were no resources. Right
now, thanks to the emperors orders, there are
approximately zero resources available to the
foster families. Anticipate a whole lot of
negative outcomes.
Point is, everybody is more concerned about
proving how wrong their political enemy is,
that nobody is even actually looking for what
is right.
Thankfully mother nature doesnt care and this
will, like all ailments of proximity, diminish
in the next week or so.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 5:48 PM Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
Just listened (in part) to a discussion
about COVID-19 as it regards China/US
relations. It is a discussion between
Dubner, Michèle Flournoy ( former
undersecretary of defense and co-founder of
strategic-advisory firm WestExec.), and
Michael Auslin (historian at Stanford
University’s Hoover Institution).
Within the discussion Auslin asserts that
the death toll within Wuhan alone was
between 45 and 47 thousand; at least 10X
what they have reported through official
channels. He gets his data through
croudsourcing crematoria activity and the
number of people picking up urns of
deceased family members.
If you don't have time to listen to this,
it is at least worth a read of the transcript.
https://freakonomics.com/podcast/covid-19-china/
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/25/2020 3:11 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
This virus doesn't care if you are a
Republican, a Democrat, an Independent,
agnostic, religious or an atheist...if
it gets you it might kill you...
Stay smart, listen to doctors and
scientists....not ineptus maximus
politicians.
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 12:45 PM Bill
Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
As we test more, we are undoubtedly
going to find more cases that were
previously going undetected
(asymptomatic infection). This is a
long way from over. The other thing
we have not come to grips with is
the uneven spread/mitigation.
There was an interesting graphic
for the state of California showing
the state as a whole versus just
the Bay Area (Mercury News this
morning). The 7 counties around the
bay instituted shelter in place
very early, and it's beginning to
show in the statistics. The Bay
Area accounts for almost 18% of the
entire state population (7 of the
40 million).
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/25/2020 8:45 AM,
ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Might be Chebyshev BPF
though... hopefully...Bessell.
Hopefully not high pass...
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