I have no doubt that CBMR is a great product but if I tell management that the consequence of IBMs latest decision is an extra cost of $500 per server I will soon be reading the Commvault manual.
Hans Chr. On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 10:25 PM, Ron Delaware <ron.delaw...@us.ibm.com> wrote: > to piggyback on Michael's statement, it has been IBM's position for over a > decade, to use Christie as its Bare Metal Restore Solution and to put > IBM's programming efforts towards other areas of Tivoli Storage Manager > (TSM), now IBM Spectrum Protect, product. Having worked with this product > for 16+ years now, I believe that it was a good decision. The Christie > product has matured to the point that it is an almost seamless integration > into the IBM Spectrum Protect software as well as being a stand-alone > product as well. I have designed and delivered solutions where the TSM > client was replace with a Christie client, and the results were amazing > and customer expectations and satisfaction were exceeded. > > Yes there is the additional cost, but the capabilities and functionality, > the ease of use and administration of the solution is worth the cost. > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Ronald C. Delaware > IBM IT Plus Certified Specialist - Expert > IBM Corporation | System Lab Services > IBM Certified Solutions Advisor - Spectrum Storage > IBM Certified Spectrum Scale 4.1 & Spectrum Protect 7.1.3 > IBM Certified Cloud Object Storage (Cleversafe) > Open Group IT Certified - Masters > 916-458-5726 (Office) > 925-457-9221 (cell phone) > email: ron.delaw...@us.ibm.com > Storage Services Offerings > > > > > > > > > From: "Ryder, Michael S" <michael_s.ry...@roche.com> > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > Date: 12/14/2016 10:35 AM > Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] ISP 81 Discontinued functions > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > > > > Just piping in here to lend support to TBMR - this has come in very > handily, especially for the critical workstations we backup. Pop in the > boot CD, answer a few prompts, and then off it goes, restoring directly > from TSM/SP back to the local harddrive, along with the functionality to > adjust for differing hardware/chipsets and drive-configuration. > > It is *totally awesome* not having to rely on some hand-scripted process, > and like any backup solution, cheap insurance. > > When one of those critical workstations fails, we can consistently bring > it > back to its identical state within 1-2 hours, with only 10-15 minutes > interaction needed on the front and back end of that process. > > Cost of ~$500/client is well worth it, in relation to the total TSM/SP > equation and considering the costs of our downtime. Of course that has to > be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. > > Best regards, > > Mike Ryder, x7942 > RMD IT Client Services > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Rick Adamson <rickadam...@segrocers.com> > wrote: > > > Whenever I have requested approval for Christie BMR the response was > that > > it was way too expensive. > > > > Every time the debate comes up on TSM/SP versus other solutions someone > > always targets this shortcoming. It makes it difficult to argue TSM/SP > as a > > world-class enterprise solution when your options to perform a bare > metal > > recovery are making a sizable purchase from a third-party, or work thru > an > > unnecessarily complicated process. > > > > Seeing as there's a defined process for the offline SS recovery, how > > difficult would it be for IBM to automate the function, have it prompt > for > > drivers, and add the creation to the GUI/CLI ?? > > > > Epic fail .... > > > > -Rick Adamson > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of > > Tom Alverson > > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 10:03 AM > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] ISP 81 Discontinued functions > > > > It looks like that product just gives you the features that are > > automatically included in the Symantec boot recovery disk. > > > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Del Hoobler <hoob...@us.ibm.com> wrote: > > > > > For those that do need more, take a look at Cristie TBMR. IBM resells > it: > > > > > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cristie.com_re > > > cover_tbmr_&d=DgIFaQ&c=AzgFQeXLLKhxSQaoFCm29A&r=eqh5PzQPIsPArLoI_uV1mK > > > vhIpcNP1MsClDPSJjFfxw&m=MaBDnfu3IOl4KU7j66irgUXnzuj2QunRKvAwOKGl57c&s= > > > YJlfO6xtNBnRSGWsCJCy4UsCvPHpyj734mOlG4yUo-A&e= > > > > > > From their doc: > > > > > > "TBMR allows you to perform a bare machine recovery of your system > > > direct from a TSM backup. Your critical systems are protected from the > > > consequences of physical damage, human error, or system failure. Users > > > can recover their protected servers to any point in time provided by > > > TSM as well as schedule simulated recoveries. TBMR is re-sold globally > > > by IBM and its channel partners as the recommended system recovery > > solution for TSM. > > > It’s currently available for Windows, Linux, Solaris and AIX operating > > > systems." > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Del > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on 12/14/2016 > > > 02:18:03 AM: > > > > > > > From: Stefan Folkerts <stefan.folke...@gmail.com> > > > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > > > Date: 12/14/2016 02:18 AM > > > > Subject: Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor > > > > Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > > > > > > > > I'm going to have to agree on this one from Tom, I also find it > > > > strange that IBM doesn't just offer a recovery disk or at least a > > > > good tool so > > > you > > > > only have to pick the correct B/A client and it will create it for > you. > > > > > > > > Many of our clients are close to 100% virtualized but we also have > > > around > > > > 15-20% of our customers that will probably never virtualize for > > > > 100%, > > > they > > > > are running very specialized systems that require 100% of the CPU in > > > > the server or are transferring truly huge amounts of data that would > > > > impact > > > the > > > > other VM's if ran in VMware. So they run on physical hosts and have > > > > to > > > deal > > > > with the PE thing that is kind of hard to get over to be honest. > > > > > > > > But yes, I have made those disks and they work but the procedure for > > > using > > > > them isn't very simple so you need a windows administrator that > > > > knows > > > his > > > > stuff. Tt's not a fire and forget kind of procedure even if you have > > > > a working disk. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 11:42 PM, Tom Alverson > > > > <tom.alver...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The worst part about this is the extremely poor setup IBM has for > > > doing an > > > > > offline restore. They give you the instructions to create your > > > > > own > > > boot > > > > > disk. I read it over and could not believe IBM did not have a > > > > > nice pre-made recovery boot disk like Symantec, AVAMAR and > Networker > > do. > > > Are > > > > > there any plans for IBM to do this? Has anyone successfully made > > > > > one > > > of > > > > > these do it yourself recovery disks? > > > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Hans Christian Riksheim < > > > > > bull...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Del. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why no prior warning? This was news to me until the 8.1 GA. We > > > > > > have > > > > > several > > > > > > environments where BMR is based on online systemstate > > > > > > restore(which > > > works > > > > > > very well) and now these customers say that they are ready to > > > > > > roll > > > out > > > > > > Win2016. Now there is a rush to look at solutions to this sudden > > > problem > > > > > > including testing that cumbersome PE procedure to avoid a time > > > window > > > > > with > > > > > > no tested method for BMR. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hans Chr. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Del Hoobler > > > > > > <hoob...@us.ibm.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Hans Chr., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Microsoft has had this position since 2008, but IBM still > > > > > > > tried to > > > > > > support > > > > > > > it due to customer requests. It led to too many situations > > > > > > > where a > > > > > system > > > > > > > was unstable after a restore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Del > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on > > > 12/13/2016 > > > > > > > 06:42:55 AM: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Hans Christian Riksheim <bull...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > > > > > > > Date: 12/13/2016 06:43 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions Sent by: "ADSM: > > > > > > > > Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure if I follow. Has Microsoft communicated a > > > > > > > > change > > > in its > > > > > > > > support for systemstate restores or is it just IBMs decision > > > > > > > > to > > > not > > > > > > > bother > > > > > > > > with it anymore? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hans Chr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Del Hoobler > > > <hoob...@us.ibm.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's true IBM Spectrum Protect did support online system > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > restores > > > > > > > > > before, but it is against Microsoft's best practices to > > > support it. > > > > > > > IBM > > > > > > > > > Spectrum Protect 8.1 is more strictly enforcing the > > > > > > > > > documented > > > best > > > > > > > > > practices from Microsoft for system state restores. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IBM did not drop the API support for LoP BE specifically > > > > > > > > > so > > > that > > > > > Data > > > > > > > > > Protection for SAP HANA on Power BE continues to be > > supported. > > > > > > > However, > > > > > > > > > IBM's strategic direction is LoP LE ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ibm.c > > > > > > > om_developerworks_library_l-2D&d=DgIFaQ&c=AzgFQeXLLKhxSQaoFCm2 > > > > > > > 9A&r=eqh5PzQPIsPArLoI_uV1mKvhIpcNP1MsClDPSJjFfxw&m=MaBDnfu3IOl > > > > > > > 4KU7j66irgUXnzuj2QunRKvAwOKGl57c&s=uMRfaEDqKy6fzg4yJIcrdvuO0qI > > > > > > > z5X9ffENrq1xOo54&e= > > > > > > power-little-endian-faq-trs/ > > > > > > > > > ). Both SAP and Data Protection for SAP HANA have LoP LE > > > support on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > roadmap for 1H17. Your investment in Linux on Power is > > > > > > > > > safe, > > > it is > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > that the software will switch to LE architecture from > > > > > > > > > current > > > BE > > > > > > > > > architecture in the future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Del > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on > > > > > 12/12/2016 > > > > > > > > > 10:18:18 AM: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Martin Janosik <martin.jano...@cz.ibm.com> > > > > > > > > > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > > > > > > > > > Date: 12/12/2016 10:19 AM > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions Sent by: > > > > > > > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm also a bit nervous and curoius at the same time > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > discontinued > > > > > > > > > > functions, namely: > > > > > > > > > > Online system state restores - You can no longer restore > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > on a system that is online. Instead, use the Automated > > > System > > > > > > > Recovery > > > > > > > > > > (ASR) based recovery method to restore the system state > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > offline > > > > > > > > > Windows > > > > > > > > > > Preinstallation Environment (PE) mode. > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > The following operating systems are no longer supported > > > > > > > > > > by > > > the > > > > > > > > > > backup-archive client: > > > > > > > > > > Linux on Power Systems™ (big endian). You can still use > > > > > > > > > > the > > > IBM > > > > > > > Spectrum > > > > > > > > > > Protect API on Linux on Power Systems (big endian). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the idea behind "to be competive with x86 > > > > > > > > > > platform > > > and > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > compativility certification for SAP HANA with Linux on > > > > > > > > > > Power > > > > > > > platform > > > > > > > > > (Big > > > > > > > > > > Endian)" (ref. > > > > > > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__blo > > > > > > > > > > gs.saphana.com_2015_08_21_announcing-2Dgeneral-2D&d=DgIF > > > > > > > > > > aQ&c=AzgFQeXLLKhxSQaoFCm29A&r=eqh5PzQPIsPArLoI_uV1mKvhIp > > > > > > > > > > cNP1MsClDPSJjFfxw&m=MaBDnfu3IOl4KU7j66irgUXnzuj2QunRKvAw > > > > > > > > > > OKGl57c&s=iba7N6xyykW7Wum3QIOhVl_ncaSMfwy2_VxRw0ane8c&e= > > > > > > > > > > availability-of-sap-hana-on-ibm-power-systems/ > > > > > > > > > > ) and then 1.5 year later drop support of BAclient for > OS"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We deployed 10+ big SAP HANA on Power8 instances last > > > > > > > > > > year, > > > and > > > > > now > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be getting "not supported" for new releases? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M. Janosik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > 12/09/2016 > > > > > > > > > > 02:45:34 PM: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Chavdar Cholev <chavdar.cho...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > > > > > > > > > > Date: 12/09/2016 02:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ADSM-L] ISP 81 Discontinued functions Sent > > > > > > > > > > > by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does some one check discontinued functions in new > > > version... > > > > > > > > > > > especially part of no VM backup as standard function > > > > > > > > > > > in BA > > > > > > > client.... > > > > > > > > > > > It is not good at all. TDP for Virtual environment for > > > hyper-V > > > > > > > creats > > > > > > > > > > diff > > > > > > > > > > > hdds (.avhdx) > > > > > > > > > > > and my customers will not be happy with this, because > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > have > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > merge > > > > > > > > > > > these file, > > > > > > > > > > > when you need to expand .vhdx disk for example .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :( > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Cahvdar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
