Hi Tom, I assume you are referring to the BA Client Java GUI? Spectrum Protect has always required the JRE for the Java GUI (on Windows, IBM ships it, on UNIX/Linux IBM requires the customer to install it because IBM does not ship it).
Del ---------------------------------------------------- "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on 12/13/2016 06:37:04 PM: > From: Tom Alverson <tom.alver...@gmail.com> > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > Date: 12/13/2016 06:37 PM > Subject: Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > > I just installed 8.1.0.0 and the GUI tells me I need to install JRE 1.7.0 > or greater. I have not rebooted yet. Is this correct? I did not see that > anywhere in the release or install notes. There is no way we want to > install java on all of our servers.... > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Tom Alverson <tom.alver...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > About 20% of our servers are physical so that does not help there. Also > > we back up almost all of our VM's with the conventional TSM client. We do > > some TSM for VE backup (mainly for critical systems that we need to be able > > to recover quickly) but the amount of effort to troubleshoot backup issues > > is much higher on TSM for VE and you are also forced to back up ALL of the > > data that changes every night including swap files and temp files since TSM > > for VE cannot do any exclusions yet (like Veeam does). > > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Del Hoobler <hoob...@us.ibm.com> wrote: > > > >> Let me ask a related question. Does the hypervisor world mitigate the need > >> for this? I am seeing fewer and fewer requests for this type of recovery > >> because of the capabilities of hypervisors and hypervisor-based backups. > >> > >> > >> > >> Del > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on 12/13/2016 > >> 05:42:38 PM: > >> > >> > From: Tom Alverson <tom.alver...@gmail.com> > >> > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > >> > Date: 12/13/2016 05:44 PM > >> > Subject: Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions > >> > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > >> > > >> > The worst part about this is the extremely poor setup IBM has for doing > >> an > >> > offline restore. They give you the instructions to create your own boot > >> > disk. I read it over and could not believe IBM did not have a nice > >> > pre-made recovery boot disk like Symantec, AVAMAR and Networker do. Are > >> > there any plans for IBM to do this? Has anyone successfully made one of > >> > these do it yourself recovery disks? > >> > > >> > Tom > >> > > >> > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Hans Christian Riksheim > >> <bull...@gmail.com > >> > > wrote: > >> > > >> > > Hi Del. > >> > > > >> > > Why no prior warning? This was news to me until the 8.1 GA. We have > >> several > >> > > environments where BMR is based on online systemstate restore(which > >> works > >> > > very well) and now these customers say that they are ready to roll out > >> > > Win2016. Now there is a rush to look at solutions to this sudden > >> problem > >> > > including testing that cumbersome PE procedure to avoid a time window > >> with > >> > > no tested method for BMR. > >> > > > >> > > Hans Chr. > >> > > > >> > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Del Hoobler <hoob...@us.ibm.com> > >> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Hi Hans Chr., > >> > > > > >> > > > Microsoft has had this position since 2008, but IBM still tried to > >> > > support > >> > > > it due to customer requests. It led to too many situations where a > >> system > >> > > > was unstable after a restore. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Del > >> > > > > >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > >> > > > > >> > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on > >> 12/13/2016 > >> > > > 06:42:55 AM: > >> > > > > >> > > > > From: Hans Christian Riksheim <bull...@gmail.com> > >> > > > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > >> > > > > Date: 12/13/2016 06:43 AM > >> > > > > Subject: Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions > >> > > > > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I am not sure if I follow. Has Microsoft communicated a change in > >> its > >> > > > > support for systemstate restores or is it just IBMs decision to > >> not > >> > > > bother > >> > > > > with it anymore? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Hans Chr. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Del Hoobler <hoob...@us.ibm.com> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi Martin, > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > It's true IBM Spectrum Protect did support online system state > >> > > > restores > >> > > > > > before, but it is against Microsoft's best practices to support > >> it. > >> > > > IBM > >> > > > > > Spectrum Protect 8.1 is more strictly enforcing the documented > >> best > >> > > > > > practices from Microsoft for system state restores. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > IBM did not drop the API support for LoP BE specifically so that > >> Data > >> > > > > > Protection for SAP HANA on Power BE continues to be supported. > >> > > > However, > >> > > > > > IBM's strategic direction is LoP LE ( > >> > > > > > > >> > > > https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l- > >> > > power-little-endian-faq-trs/ > >> > > > > > ). Both SAP and Data Protection for SAP HANA have LoP LE support > >> on > >> > > > the > >> > > > > > roadmap for 1H17. Your investment in Linux on Power is safe, it > >> is > >> > > > just > >> > > > > > that the software will switch to LE architecture from current BE > >> > > > > > architecture in the future. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Del > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on > >> 12/12/2016 > >> > > > > > 10:18:18 AM: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > From: Martin Janosik <martin.jano...@cz.ibm.com> > >> > > > > > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > >> > > > > > > Date: 12/12/2016 10:19 AM > >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions > >> > > > > > > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I'm also a bit nervous and curoius at the same time about > >> > > > discontinued > >> > > > > > > functions, namely: > >> > > > > > > Online system state restores - You can no longer restore the > >> system > >> > > > > > state > >> > > > > > > on a system that is online. Instead, use the Automated System > >> > > > Recovery > >> > > > > > > (ASR) based recovery method to restore the system state in > >> offline > >> > > > > > Windows > >> > > > > > > Preinstallation Environment (PE) mode. > >> > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > The following operating systems are no longer supported by the > >> > > > > > > backup-archive client: > >> > > > > > > Linux on Power Systems™ (big endian). You can still use the > >> IBM > >> > > > Spectrum > >> > > > > > > Protect API on Linux on Power Systems (big endian). > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > What is the idea behind "to be competive with x86 platform and > >> get > >> > > > > > > compativility certification for SAP HANA with Linux on Power > >> > > > platform > >> > > > > > (Big > >> > > > > > > Endian)" (ref. > >> > > > > > > https://blogs.saphana.com/2015/08/21/announcing-general- > >> > > > > > > availability-of-sap-hana-on-ibm-power-systems/ > >> > > > > > > ) and then 1.5 year later drop support of BAclient for OS"? > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > We deployed 10+ big SAP HANA on Power8 instances last year, > >> and now > >> > > > we > >> > > > > > will > >> > > > > > > be getting "not supported" for new releases? > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > M. Janosik > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on > >> > > 12/09/2016 > >> > > > > > > 02:45:34 PM: > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > From: Chavdar Cholev <chavdar.cho...@gmail.com> > >> > > > > > > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > >> > > > > > > > Date: 12/09/2016 02:47 PM > >> > > > > > > > Subject: [ADSM-L] ISP 81 Discontinued functions > >> > > > > > > > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Does some one check discontinued functions in new version... > >> > > > > > > > especially part of no VM backup as standard function in BA > >> > > > client.... > >> > > > > > > > It is not good at all. TDP for Virtual environment for > >> hyper-V > >> > > > creats > >> > > > > > > diff > >> > > > > > > > hdds (.avhdx) > >> > > > > > > > and my customers will not be happy with this, because you > >> have to > >> > > > > > merge > >> > > > > > > > these file, > >> > > > > > > > when you need to expand .vhdx disk for example .... > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > :( > >> > > > > > > > Regards > >> > > > > > > > Cahvdar > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >
