On version 7 and earlier the necessary Java code was automatically installed as part of the TSM install and did not show up in add/remove. I found a folder in the extracted version 8 files with a Java installer. This one shows up in add/remove as IBM Java but does allow the GUI to work after installing it.
On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Del Hoobler <hoob...@us.ibm.com> wrote: > Hi Tom, > > I assume you are referring to the BA Client Java GUI? Spectrum Protect has > always required the JRE for the Java GUI (on Windows, IBM ships it, on > UNIX/Linux IBM requires the customer to install it because IBM does not > ship it). > > > Del > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on 12/13/2016 > 06:37:04 PM: > > > From: Tom Alverson <tom.alver...@gmail.com> > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > Date: 12/13/2016 06:37 PM > > Subject: Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions > > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > > > > I just installed 8.1.0.0 and the GUI tells me I need to install JRE > 1.7.0 > > or greater. I have not rebooted yet. Is this correct? I did not see > that > > anywhere in the release or install notes. There is no way we want to > > install java on all of our servers.... > > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Tom Alverson <tom.alver...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > About 20% of our servers are physical so that does not help there. > Also > > > we back up almost all of our VM's with the conventional TSM client. We > do > > > some TSM for VE backup (mainly for critical systems that we need to be > able > > > to recover quickly) but the amount of effort to troubleshoot backup > issues > > > is much higher on TSM for VE and you are also forced to back up ALL of > the > > > data that changes every night including swap files and temp files > since TSM > > > for VE cannot do any exclusions yet (like Veeam does). > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Del Hoobler <hoob...@us.ibm.com> > wrote: > > > > > >> Let me ask a related question. Does the hypervisor world mitigate the > need > > >> for this? I am seeing fewer and fewer requests for this type of > recovery > > >> because of the capabilities of hypervisors and hypervisor-based > backups. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Del > > >> > > >> ---------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > >> > > >> "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on 12/13/2016 > > >> 05:42:38 PM: > > >> > > >> > From: Tom Alverson <tom.alver...@gmail.com> > > >> > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > >> > Date: 12/13/2016 05:44 PM > > >> > Subject: Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions > > >> > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > > >> > > > >> > The worst part about this is the extremely poor setup IBM has for > doing > > >> an > > >> > offline restore. They give you the instructions to create your own > boot > > >> > disk. I read it over and could not believe IBM did not have a nice > > >> > pre-made recovery boot disk like Symantec, AVAMAR and Networker do. > Are > > >> > there any plans for IBM to do this? Has anyone successfully made > one of > > >> > these do it yourself recovery disks? > > >> > > > >> > Tom > > >> > > > >> > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Hans Christian Riksheim > > >> <bull...@gmail.com > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > Hi Del. > > >> > > > > >> > > Why no prior warning? This was news to me until the 8.1 GA. We > have > > >> several > > >> > > environments where BMR is based on online systemstate > restore(which > > >> works > > >> > > very well) and now these customers say that they are ready to > roll out > > >> > > Win2016. Now there is a rush to look at solutions to this sudden > > >> problem > > >> > > including testing that cumbersome PE procedure to avoid a time > window > > >> with > > >> > > no tested method for BMR. > > >> > > > > >> > > Hans Chr. > > >> > > > > >> > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Del Hoobler <hoob...@us.ibm.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi Hans Chr., > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Microsoft has had this position since 2008, but IBM still tried > to > > >> > > support > > >> > > > it due to customer requests. It led to too many situations > where a > > >> system > > >> > > > was unstable after a restore. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Del > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > >> > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on > > >> 12/13/2016 > > >> > > > 06:42:55 AM: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > From: Hans Christian Riksheim <bull...@gmail.com> > > >> > > > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > >> > > > > Date: 12/13/2016 06:43 AM > > >> > > > > Subject: Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions > > >> > > > > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > I am not sure if I follow. Has Microsoft communicated a > change in > > >> its > > >> > > > > support for systemstate restores or is it just IBMs decision > to > > >> not > > >> > > > bother > > >> > > > > with it anymore? > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Hans Chr. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Del Hoobler > <hoob...@us.ibm.com> > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi Martin, > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > It's true IBM Spectrum Protect did support online system > state > > >> > > > restores > > >> > > > > > before, but it is against Microsoft's best practices to > support > > >> it. > > >> > > > IBM > > >> > > > > > Spectrum Protect 8.1 is more strictly enforcing the > documented > > >> best > > >> > > > > > practices from Microsoft for system state restores. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > IBM did not drop the API support for LoP BE specifically so > that > > >> Data > > >> > > > > > Protection for SAP HANA on Power BE continues to be > supported. > > >> > > > However, > > >> > > > > > IBM's strategic direction is LoP LE ( > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l- > > >> > > power-little-endian-faq-trs/ > > >> > > > > > ). Both SAP and Data Protection for SAP HANA have LoP LE > support > > >> on > > >> > > > the > > >> > > > > > roadmap for 1H17. Your investment in Linux on Power is > safe, it > > >> is > > >> > > > just > > >> > > > > > that the software will switch to LE architecture from > current BE > > >> > > > > > architecture in the future. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Del > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on > > >> 12/12/2016 > > >> > > > > > 10:18:18 AM: > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > From: Martin Janosik <martin.jano...@cz.ibm.com> > > >> > > > > > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > >> > > > > > > Date: 12/12/2016 10:19 AM > > >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions > > >> > > > > > > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I'm also a bit nervous and curoius at the same time about > > >> > > > discontinued > > >> > > > > > > functions, namely: > > >> > > > > > > Online system state restores - You can no longer restore > the > > >> system > > >> > > > > > state > > >> > > > > > > on a system that is online. Instead, use the Automated > System > > >> > > > Recovery > > >> > > > > > > (ASR) based recovery method to restore the system state > in > > >> offline > > >> > > > > > Windows > > >> > > > > > > Preinstallation Environment (PE) mode. > > >> > > > > > > and > > >> > > > > > > The following operating systems are no longer supported > by the > > >> > > > > > > backup-archive client: > > >> > > > > > > Linux on Power Systems™ (big endian). You can still use > the > > >> IBM > > >> > > > Spectrum > > >> > > > > > > Protect API on Linux on Power Systems (big endian). > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > What is the idea behind "to be competive with x86 > platform and > > >> get > > >> > > > > > > compativility certification for SAP HANA with Linux on > Power > > >> > > > platform > > >> > > > > > (Big > > >> > > > > > > Endian)" (ref. > > >> > > > > > > https://blogs.saphana.com/2015/08/21/announcing-general- > > >> > > > > > > availability-of-sap-hana-on-ibm-power-systems/ > > >> > > > > > > ) and then 1.5 year later drop support of BAclient for > OS"? > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > We deployed 10+ big SAP HANA on Power8 instances last > year, > > >> and now > > >> > > > we > > >> > > > > > will > > >> > > > > > > be getting "not supported" for new releases? > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > M. Janosik > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on > > >> > > 12/09/2016 > > >> > > > > > > 02:45:34 PM: > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > From: Chavdar Cholev <chavdar.cho...@gmail.com> > > >> > > > > > > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > >> > > > > > > > Date: 12/09/2016 02:47 PM > > >> > > > > > > > Subject: [ADSM-L] ISP 81 Discontinued functions > > >> > > > > > > > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" > <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Does some one check discontinued functions in new > version... > > >> > > > > > > > especially part of no VM backup as standard function in > BA > > >> > > > client.... > > >> > > > > > > > It is not good at all. TDP for Virtual environment for > > >> hyper-V > > >> > > > creats > > >> > > > > > > diff > > >> > > > > > > > hdds (.avhdx) > > >> > > > > > > > and my customers will not be happy with this, because > you > > >> have to > > >> > > > > > merge > > >> > > > > > > > these file, > > >> > > > > > > > when you need to expand .vhdx disk for example .... > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > :( > > >> > > > > > > > Regards > > >> > > > > > > > Cahvdar > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >
