Hi Rick,
I do want to clarify one point here because it seems to have gotten lost
in the shuffle and may be misinterpreted to the casual reader of this
forum.
Spectrum Protect 8.1.0 supports ASR:
http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSEQVQ_8.1.0/client/t_res_asrwin.html
ONLINE system state restore was the function deprecated in 8.1.0.
You probably know that but I wanted to make sure others did as well.
Del
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"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on 12/15/2016
09:50:31 AM:
> From: Rick Adamson <rickadam...@segrocers.com>
> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Date: 12/15/2016 09:51 AM
> Subject: Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions
> Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU>
>
> This obviously is not intended as a criticism of Christie BMR, it is
> a great product.
> But in my opinion this a primary function that any backup/archive/
> recovery solution should provide, especially at top-tier application
> price points.
>
> Again, how hard could it be? Would be a great addition to the
> Operations Center :)
>
> -Rick Adamson
> 904.783.5264
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Tom Alverson
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 6:48 PM
> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] ISP 81 Discontinued functions
>
> From reading about it on their web page, the product gives you a
> boot disk that other vendors include for free, plus they add
> scheduling, multiple restores and test restores. Not worth $750 per
> server. Someone mentioned
> $500 so maybe that is a volume price but if you have a lot of
> clients we're talking about millions of dollars to purchase
> something that should be included.
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Ron Delaware <ron.delaw...@us.ibm.com>
> wrote:
>
> > to piggyback on Michael's statement, it has been IBM's position for
> > over a decade, to use Christie as its Bare Metal Restore Solution and
> > to put IBM's programming efforts towards other areas of Tivoli Storage
> > Manager (TSM), now IBM Spectrum Protect, product. Having worked with
> > this product for 16+ years now, I believe that it was a good decision.
> > The Christie product has matured to the point that it is an almost
> > seamless integration into the IBM Spectrum Protect software as well as
> > being a stand-alone product as well. I have designed and delivered
> > solutions where the TSM client was replace with a Christie client, and
> > the results were amazing and customer expectations and
> satisfaction were exceeded.
> >
> > Yes there is the additional cost, but the capabilities and
> > functionality, the ease of use and administration of the solution
> is worth the cost.
> >
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________
> > Ronald C. Delaware
> > IBM IT Plus Certified Specialist - Expert IBM Corporation | System Lab
> > Services IBM Certified Solutions Advisor - Spectrum Storage IBM
> > Certified Spectrum Scale 4.1 & Spectrum Protect 7.1.3 IBM Certified
> > Cloud Object Storage (Cleversafe) Open Group IT Certified - Masters
> > 916-458-5726 (Office)
> > 925-457-9221 (cell phone)
> > email: ron.delaw...@us.ibm.com
> > Storage Services Offerings
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Ryder, Michael S" <michael_s.ry...@roche.com>
> > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> > Date: 12/14/2016 10:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] ISP 81 Discontinued functions
> > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU>
> >
> >
> >
> > Just piping in here to lend support to TBMR - this has come in very
> > handily, especially for the critical workstations we backup. Pop in
> > the boot CD, answer a few prompts, and then off it goes, restoring
> > directly from TSM/SP back to the local harddrive, along with the
> > functionality to adjust for differing hardware/chipsets and drive-
> configuration.
> >
> > It is *totally awesome* not having to rely on some hand-scripted
> > process, and like any backup solution, cheap insurance.
> >
> > When one of those critical workstations fails, we can consistently
> > bring it back to its identical state within 1-2 hours, with only 10-15
> > minutes interaction needed on the front and back end of that process.
> >
> > Cost of ~$500/client is well worth it, in relation to the total TSM/SP
> > equation and considering the costs of our downtime. Of course that
> > has to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Mike Ryder, x7942
> > RMD IT Client Services
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Rick Adamson
> > <rickadam...@segrocers.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Whenever I have requested approval for Christie BMR the response was
> > that
> > > it was way too expensive.
> > >
> > > Every time the debate comes up on TSM/SP versus other solutions
> > > someone always targets this shortcoming. It makes it difficult to
> > > argue TSM/SP
> > as a
> > > world-class enterprise solution when your options to perform a bare
> > metal
> > > recovery are making a sizable purchase from a third-party, or work
> > > thru
> > an
> > > unnecessarily complicated process.
> > >
> > > Seeing as there's a defined process for the offline SS recovery, how
> > > difficult would it be for IBM to automate the function, have it
> > > prompt
> > for
> > > drivers, and add the creation to the GUI/CLI ??
> > >
> > > Epic fail ....
> > >
> > > -Rick Adamson
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On
> > > Behalf Of Tom Alverson
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 10:03 AM
> > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] ISP 81 Discontinued functions
> > >
> > > It looks like that product just gives you the features that are
> > > automatically included in the Symantec boot recovery disk.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Del Hoobler <hoob...@us.ibm.com>
wrote:
> > >
> > > > For those that do need more, take a look at Cristie TBMR. IBM
> > > > resells
> > it:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cristie.co
> > > > m_re
> > > > cover_tbmr_&d=DgIFaQ&c=AzgFQeXLLKhxSQaoFCm29A&r=eqh5PzQPIsPArLoI_u
> > > > V1mK
> > > > vhIpcNP1MsClDPSJjFfxw&m=MaBDnfu3IOl4KU7j66irgUXnzuj2QunRKvAwOKGl57
> > > > c&s= YJlfO6xtNBnRSGWsCJCy4UsCvPHpyj734mOlG4yUo-A&e=
> > > >
> > > > From their doc:
> > > >
> > > > "TBMR allows you to perform a bare machine recovery of your system
> > > > direct from a TSM backup. Your critical systems are protected from
> > > > the consequences of physical damage, human error, or system
> > > > failure. Users can recover their protected servers to any point in
> > > > time provided by TSM as well as schedule simulated recoveries.
> > > > TBMR is re-sold globally by IBM and its channel partners as the
> > > > recommended system recovery
> > > solution for TSM.
> > > > It’s currently available for Windows, Linux, Solaris and AIX
> > > > operating systems."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > >
> > > > Del
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on
> > > > 12/14/2016
> > > > 02:18:03 AM:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Stefan Folkerts <stefan.folke...@gmail.com>
> > > > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> > > > > Date: 12/14/2016 02:18 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions Sent by: "ADSM: Dist
> > > > > Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU>
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm going to have to agree on this one from Tom, I also find it
> > > > > strange that IBM doesn't just offer a recovery disk or at least
> > > > > a good tool so
> > > > you
> > > > > only have to pick the correct B/A client and it will create it
> > > > > for
> > you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Many of our clients are close to 100% virtualized but we also
> > > > > have
> > > > around
> > > > > 15-20% of our customers that will probably never virtualize for
> > > > > 100%,
> > > > they
> > > > > are running very specialized systems that require 100% of the
> > > > > CPU in the server or are transferring truly huge amounts of data
> > > > > that would impact
> > > > the
> > > > > other VM's if ran in VMware. So they run on physical hosts and
> > > > > have to
> > > > deal
> > > > > with the PE thing that is kind of hard to get over to be honest.
> > > > >
> > > > > But yes, I have made those disks and they work but the procedure
> > > > > for
> > > > using
> > > > > them isn't very simple so you need a windows administrator that
> > > > > knows
> > > > his
> > > > > stuff. Tt's not a fire and forget kind of procedure even if you
> > > > > have a working disk.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 11:42 PM, Tom Alverson
> > > > > <tom.alver...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The worst part about this is the extremely poor setup IBM has
> > > > > > for
> > > > doing an
> > > > > > offline restore. They give you the instructions to create
> > > > > > your own
> > > > boot
> > > > > > disk. I read it over and could not believe IBM did not have a
> > > > > > nice pre-made recovery boot disk like Symantec, AVAMAR and
> > Networker
> > > do.
> > > > Are
> > > > > > there any plans for IBM to do this? Has anyone successfully
> > > > > > made one
> > > > of
> > > > > > these do it yourself recovery disks?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Hans Christian Riksheim <
> > > > > > bull...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Del.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why no prior warning? This was news to me until the 8.1 GA.
> > > > > > > We have
> > > > > > several
> > > > > > > environments where BMR is based on online systemstate
> > > > > > > restore(which
> > > > works
> > > > > > > very well) and now these customers say that they are ready
> > > > > > > to roll
> > > > out
> > > > > > > Win2016. Now there is a rush to look at solutions to this
> > > > > > > sudden
> > > > problem
> > > > > > > including testing that cumbersome PE procedure to avoid a
> > > > > > > time
> > > > window
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > no tested method for BMR.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hans Chr.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Del Hoobler
> > > > > > > <hoob...@us.ibm.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Hans Chr.,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Microsoft has had this position since 2008, but IBM still
> > > > > > > > tried to
> > > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > it due to customer requests. It led to too many situations
> > > > > > > > where a
> > > > > > system
> > > > > > > > was unstable after a restore.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Del
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on
> > > > 12/13/2016
> > > > > > > > 06:42:55 AM:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From: Hans Christian Riksheim <bull...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> > > > > > > > > Date: 12/13/2016 06:43 AM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions Sent by:
"ADSM:
> > > > > > > > > Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am not sure if I follow. Has Microsoft communicated a
> > > > > > > > > change
> > > > in its
> > > > > > > > > support for systemstate restores or is it just IBMs
> > > > > > > > > decision to
> > > > not
> > > > > > > > bother
> > > > > > > > > with it anymore?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hans Chr.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Del Hoobler
> > > > <hoob...@us.ibm.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Martin,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It's true IBM Spectrum Protect did support online
> > > > > > > > > > system state
> > > > > > > > restores
> > > > > > > > > > before, but it is against Microsoft's best practices
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > support it.
> > > > > > > > IBM
> > > > > > > > > > Spectrum Protect 8.1 is more strictly enforcing the
> > > > > > > > > > documented
> > > > best
> > > > > > > > > > practices from Microsoft for system state restores.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > IBM did not drop the API support for LoP BE
> > > > > > > > > > specifically so
> > > > that
> > > > > > Data
> > > > > > > > > > Protection for SAP HANA on Power BE continues to be
> > > supported.
> > > > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > > > IBM's strategic direction is LoP LE (
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.i
> > > > > > > > bm.c
> > > > > > > > om_developerworks_library_l-2D&d=DgIFaQ&c=AzgFQeXLLKhxSQao
> > > > > > > > FCm2
> > > > > > > > 9A&r=eqh5PzQPIsPArLoI_uV1mKvhIpcNP1MsClDPSJjFfxw&m=MaBDnfu
> > > > > > > > 3IOl
> > > > > > > > 4KU7j66irgUXnzuj2QunRKvAwOKGl57c&s=uMRfaEDqKy6fzg4yJIcrdvu
> > > > > > > > O0qI
> > > > > > > > z5X9ffENrq1xOo54&e=
> > > > > > > power-little-endian-faq-trs/
> > > > > > > > > > ). Both SAP and Data Protection for SAP HANA have LoP
> > > > > > > > > > LE
> > > > support on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > roadmap for 1H17. Your investment in Linux on Power is
> > > > > > > > > > safe,
> > > > it is
> > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > that the software will switch to LE architecture from
> > > > > > > > > > current
> > > > BE
> > > > > > > > > > architecture in the future.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Del
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote
> > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > 12/12/2016
> > > > > > > > > > 10:18:18 AM:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > From: Martin Janosik <martin.jano...@cz.ibm.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> > > > > > > > > > > Date: 12/12/2016 10:19 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions Sent by:
> > > > > > > > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm also a bit nervous and curoius at the same time
> > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > discontinued
> > > > > > > > > > > functions, namely:
> > > > > > > > > > > Online system state restores - You can no longer
> > > > > > > > > > > restore the
> > > > > > system
> > > > > > > > > > state
> > > > > > > > > > > on a system that is online. Instead, use the
> > > > > > > > > > > Automated
> > > > System
> > > > > > > > Recovery
> > > > > > > > > > > (ASR) based recovery method to restore the system
> > > > > > > > > > > state in
> > > > > > offline
> > > > > > > > > > Windows
> > > > > > > > > > > Preinstallation Environment (PE) mode.
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > The following operating systems are no longer
> > > > > > > > > > > supported by
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > backup-archive client:
> > > > > > > > > > > Linux on Power Systems™ (big endian). You can still
> > > > > > > > > > > use the
> > > > IBM
> > > > > > > > Spectrum
> > > > > > > > > > > Protect API on Linux on Power Systems (big endian).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > What is the idea behind "to be competive with x86
> > > > > > > > > > > platform
> > > > and
> > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > > > compativility certification for SAP HANA with Linux
> > > > > > > > > > > on Power
> > > > > > > > platform
> > > > > > > > > > (Big
> > > > > > > > > > > Endian)" (ref.
> > > > > > > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A_
> > > > > > > > > > > _blo
> > > > > > > > > > > gs.saphana.com_2015_08_21_announcing-2Dgeneral-2D&d=
> > > > > > > > > > > DgIF
> > > > > > > > > > > aQ&c=AzgFQeXLLKhxSQaoFCm29A&r=eqh5PzQPIsPArLoI_uV1mK
> > > > > > > > > > > vhIp
> > > > > > > > > > > cNP1MsClDPSJjFfxw&m=MaBDnfu3IOl4KU7j66irgUXnzuj2QunR
> > > > > > > > > > > KvAw
> > > > > > > > > > > OKGl57c&s=iba7N6xyykW7Wum3QIOhVl_ncaSMfwy2_VxRw0ane8
> > > > > > > > > > > c&e= availability-of-sap-hana-on-ibm-power-systems/
> > > > > > > > > > > ) and then 1.5 year later drop support of BAclient
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > OS"?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > We deployed 10+ big SAP HANA on Power8 instances
> > > > > > > > > > > last year,
> > > > and
> > > > > > now
> > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > be getting "not supported" for new releases?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > M. Janosik
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote on
> > > > > > > 12/09/2016
> > > > > > > > > > > 02:45:34 PM:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: Chavdar Cholev <chavdar.cho...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> > > > > > > > > > > > Date: 12/09/2016 02:47 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ADSM-L] ISP 81 Discontinued functions
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent
> > > > > > > > > > > > by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"
> > > > > > > > > > > > <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU>
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Does some one check discontinued functions in new
> > > > version...
> > > > > > > > > > > > especially part of no VM backup as standard
> > > > > > > > > > > > function in BA
> > > > > > > > client....
> > > > > > > > > > > > It is not good at all. TDP for Virtual environment
> > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > hyper-V
> > > > > > > > creats
> > > > > > > > > > > diff
> > > > > > > > > > > > hdds (.avhdx)
> > > > > > > > > > > > and my customers will not be happy with this,
> > > > > > > > > > > > because you
> > > > have
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > merge
> > > > > > > > > > > > these file,
> > > > > > > > > > > > when you need to expand .vhdx disk for example
....
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > :(
> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > > > > Cahvdar
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
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