Let me ask a related question. Does the hypervisor world mitigate the need for this? I am seeing fewer and fewer requests for this type of recovery because of the capabilities of hypervisors and hypervisor-based backups.
Del ---------------------------------------------------- "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on 12/13/2016 05:42:38 PM: > From: Tom Alverson <tom.alver...@gmail.com> > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > Date: 12/13/2016 05:44 PM > Subject: Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > > The worst part about this is the extremely poor setup IBM has for doing an > offline restore. They give you the instructions to create your own boot > disk. I read it over and could not believe IBM did not have a nice > pre-made recovery boot disk like Symantec, AVAMAR and Networker do. Are > there any plans for IBM to do this? Has anyone successfully made one of > these do it yourself recovery disks? > > Tom > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Hans Christian Riksheim <bull...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > Hi Del. > > > > Why no prior warning? This was news to me until the 8.1 GA. We have several > > environments where BMR is based on online systemstate restore(which works > > very well) and now these customers say that they are ready to roll out > > Win2016. Now there is a rush to look at solutions to this sudden problem > > including testing that cumbersome PE procedure to avoid a time window with > > no tested method for BMR. > > > > Hans Chr. > > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Del Hoobler <hoob...@us.ibm.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi Hans Chr., > > > > > > Microsoft has had this position since 2008, but IBM still tried to > > support > > > it due to customer requests. It led to too many situations where a system > > > was unstable after a restore. > > > > > > > > > Del > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on 12/13/2016 > > > 06:42:55 AM: > > > > > > > From: Hans Christian Riksheim <bull...@gmail.com> > > > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > > > Date: 12/13/2016 06:43 AM > > > > Subject: Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions > > > > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > > > > > > > > I am not sure if I follow. Has Microsoft communicated a change in its > > > > support for systemstate restores or is it just IBMs decision to not > > > bother > > > > with it anymore? > > > > > > > > Hans Chr. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Del Hoobler <hoob...@us.ibm.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > > > > > It's true IBM Spectrum Protect did support online system state > > > restores > > > > > before, but it is against Microsoft's best practices to support it. > > > IBM > > > > > Spectrum Protect 8.1 is more strictly enforcing the documented best > > > > > practices from Microsoft for system state restores. > > > > > > > > > > IBM did not drop the API support for LoP BE specifically so that Data > > > > > Protection for SAP HANA on Power BE continues to be supported. > > > However, > > > > > IBM's strategic direction is LoP LE ( > > > > > > > > https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l- > > power-little-endian-faq-trs/ > > > > > ). Both SAP and Data Protection for SAP HANA have LoP LE support on > > > the > > > > > roadmap for 1H17. Your investment in Linux on Power is safe, it is > > > just > > > > > that the software will switch to LE architecture from current BE > > > > > architecture in the future. > > > > > > > > > > Del > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on 12/12/2016 > > > > > 10:18:18 AM: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Martin Janosik <martin.jano...@cz.ibm.com> > > > > > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > > > > > Date: 12/12/2016 10:19 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions > > > > > > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm also a bit nervous and curoius at the same time about > > > discontinued > > > > > > functions, namely: > > > > > > Online system state restores - You can no longer restore the system > > > > > state > > > > > > on a system that is online. Instead, use the Automated System > > > Recovery > > > > > > (ASR) based recovery method to restore the system state in offline > > > > > Windows > > > > > > Preinstallation Environment (PE) mode. > > > > > > and > > > > > > The following operating systems are no longer supported by the > > > > > > backup-archive client: > > > > > > Linux on Power Systems™ (big endian). You can still use the IBM > > > Spectrum > > > > > > Protect API on Linux on Power Systems (big endian). > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the idea behind "to be competive with x86 platform and get > > > > > > compativility certification for SAP HANA with Linux on Power > > > platform > > > > > (Big > > > > > > Endian)" (ref. > > > > > > https://blogs.saphana.com/2015/08/21/announcing-general- > > > > > > availability-of-sap-hana-on-ibm-power-systems/ > > > > > > ) and then 1.5 year later drop support of BAclient for OS"? > > > > > > > > > > > > We deployed 10+ big SAP HANA on Power8 instances last year, and now > > > we > > > > > will > > > > > > be getting "not supported" for new releases? > > > > > > > > > > > > M. Janosik > > > > > > > > > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on > > 12/09/2016 > > > > > > 02:45:34 PM: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Chavdar Cholev <chavdar.cho...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > > > > > > Date: 12/09/2016 02:47 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [ADSM-L] ISP 81 Discontinued functions > > > > > > > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does some one check discontinued functions in new version... > > > > > > > especially part of no VM backup as standard function in BA > > > client.... > > > > > > > It is not good at all. TDP for Virtual environment for hyper-V > > > creats > > > > > > diff > > > > > > > hdds (.avhdx) > > > > > > > and my customers will not be happy with this, because you have to > > > > > merge > > > > > > > these file, > > > > > > > when you need to expand .vhdx disk for example .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :( > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Cahvdar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
