We should keep a mailing list (on incubator.apache.org or on google groups) until we can host these discussions in wave itself. We can arrange google hangouts just as easily.
-J On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Evan Hughes <ehu...@gmail.com> wrote: > By moving to github will the community there be able to communicate as > easily as we do here. I have no experience working on any long term gothic > projects but in asf we can easily arrange for hangout debates which would > need to be recorded for public view. Tbh I agree with deadlines and emails > like these need to be frequent for us to band together. So either way after > the review submission date we should start another email for prep to move > to github or we should discuss the New timeline of the project and what we > need to build this into a stable community. > On 30/11/2013 8:59 AM, "Fleeky Flanco" <fle...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> very simple workaround, have everyone reply to everything in one blip, but >> to append there name to things they say. this way you keep blip count low. >> >> the state of wave imo is that its a blank slate, you have to impose your >> own organizational structure onto each wave, and how you do that dictates >> how things work in that particular wave. that is the beauty and also the >> problem of it. >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Fleeky Flanco <fle...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > thomas, >> > >> > i dont think there has even been enough testing of wave to prove this one >> > way or the other but the main point is that if we are all using wave for >> > something that matters, it will piss someone off enough to actually start >> > to fix things. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Thomas Wrobel <darkfl...@gmail.com >> >wrote: >> > >> >> So are you confirming then that Wave as it stands can (stably) take very >> >> long discussion threads with lots of comments? >> >> >> >> I wasn't even aware the storage format of the current Wave builds was >> >> final. >> >> Maybe more has progressed in the last year then I was aware of. >> >> >> >> >> >> ~~~ >> >> Thomas & Bertines online review show: >> >> http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html >> >> Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) >> >> >> >> >> >> On 29 November 2013 23:44, Fleeky Flanco <fle...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > christian, from my observations of the project i would have to answer >> >> no, >> >> > its not working out ? >> >> > >> >> > pardon my passion on this subject (@mailing list) but ive kept quiet >> for >> >> > too long. id rather get an argument started on this rather then let >> wave >> >> > die the slow death that it is currently facing. passion is what wave >> >> needs >> >> > right now, not patience. >> >> > >> >> > i dont think moving wave to github or getting everyone to actually use >> >> wave >> >> > will magically make everything better, but i think that is a step in >> the >> >> > right direction that Should have been taken a long time ago. >> >> > >> >> > theres no reason that moving discussion to a wave server reduces the >> >> open >> >> > nature of the discussion, as stated previously, its trivial to make an >> >> > anonymous account to grant anyone access to this discussion if it was >> >> on a >> >> > wave server. also anyone can register on a wave server and participate >> >> in >> >> > the discussion if the wave has been setup properly, theres even a >> patch >> >> > somewhere for rendering wave files as html files which would make it >> >> > searchable by google and everyone esle. federation should make >> >> propogating >> >> > this data to multiple servers possible, using wave as the main >> >> discussion >> >> > area maintains the openness , searchability, and also longevity of the >> >> > discussion. >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Christian Grobmeier < >> >> grobme...@gmail.com >> >> > >wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > On 29 Nov 2013, at 16:40, Fleeky Flanco wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > i really dont understand why i have to be explaining the >> usefullness >> >> of >> >> > >> using wave to communicate with the people on this list. its kindof >> >> > >> amazing. >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > If you don't understand why we operate on a mailing list then you >> >> > probably >> >> > > have >> >> > > not understood that the ASF tries to develop in an open way. All >> >> > > discussions must held >> >> > > public and must be archived for a long time. The only solution so >> far >> >> is >> >> > > mailing lists. >> >> > > Wave is simply not that far to provide that at the moment. >> >> > > >> >> > > Of course there is an opportunity to bring Wave to the ASF. But >> there >> >> are >> >> > > a lot of requirements >> >> > > to meet. If you want to develop here, you need to fulfill these >> >> > > requirements. >> >> > > >> >> > > We have discussed that several times. Every of the committers >> >> understood >> >> > > these requirements >> >> > > and were working against them. However Wave is not there yet. >> >> > > >> >> > > This doesn't answer the question which was initially asked: is the >> ASF >> >> > the >> >> > > right place? >> >> > > Or more precise: can we as a project ever succeed the incubator and >> >> > become >> >> > > an ASF project? >> >> > > >> >> > > This has nothing to do with the great technology behind Wave nor the >> >> > > willingness of people. >> >> > > It is: is there enough manpower to live the ASF way or not. >> >> > > >> >> > > Christian >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> fleeky >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Robert Brumbelow < >> >> > rkbrumbe...@gmail.com >> >> > >> >wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Fleeky, those are fine for us, they will do little for outside >> >> > >>> exposure. I would suspect having to use wave in order to learn to >> >> use >> >> > >>> wave might be self defeating. >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Fleeky Flanco <fle...@gmail.com >> > >> >> > >>> wrote: >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Building+Wave+in+a+Box >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Home >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> also there is #wiab on irc.freenode.net >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> also Ali just a few emails up mentioned that you could start a >> >> > >>>> discussion >> >> > >>>> on his wave server , why not try those things first? and if >> there >> >> is >> >> > a >> >> > >>>> problem, go to Ali's wave server and simply start a problems wave >> >> add >> >> > >>>> the >> >> > >>>> participant @domain to the wave and everyone inclduing Ali on >> that >> >> > >>>> server >> >> > >>>> should be able to see your problem wave, and maybe attempt to >> >> answer >> >> > >>>> your >> >> > >>>> problem. >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> -fleeky >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Robert Brumbelow < >> >> > >>>> rkbrumbe...@gmail.com >> >> > >>>> wrote: >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> Thomas, >> >> > >>>>> Hangouts on air are the recorded versions of Google Hangouts, >> >> > >>>>> they are streamed and recorded via Youtube. Screencasts, I >> >> thought, >> >> > >>>>> also defaulted to being recorded. >> >> > >>>>> >> >> > >>>>> I know during my years of teaching, video was often preferred by >> >> > >>>>> students simply because even in step by step instruction, aka >> hand >> >> > >>>>> holding, there would be something glossed over, ignored or >> assumed >> >> > >>>>> known by students or the teacher. Video shows every keystroke, >> >> > command >> >> > >>>>> and mouse movement >> >> > >>>>> >> >> > >>>>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> -- >> >> > >>> Kelly Brumbelow >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > > >> >> > > --- >> >> > > http://www.grobmeier.de >> >> > > @grobmeier >> >> > > GPG: 0xA5CC90DB >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >>
