FWIW, I agree with Fleeky. Most of the extensions I have developed for Rizzoma have been because a bug or missing feature annoys me regularly. If people used WIAB regularly, I think they would start to notice glaring and subtle usability problems and be more inclined to fix them.
—Zachary Yaro On 29 November 2013 17:55, Fleeky Flanco <fle...@gmail.com> wrote: > thomas, > > i dont think there has even been enough testing of wave to prove this one > way or the other but the main point is that if we are all using wave for > something that matters, it will piss someone off enough to actually start > to fix things. > > > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Thomas Wrobel <darkfl...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > So are you confirming then that Wave as it stands can (stably) take very > > long discussion threads with lots of comments? > > > > I wasn't even aware the storage format of the current Wave builds was > > final. > > Maybe more has progressed in the last year then I was aware of. > > > > > > ~~~ > > Thomas & Bertines online review show: > > http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html > > Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) > > > > > > On 29 November 2013 23:44, Fleeky Flanco <fle...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > christian, from my observations of the project i would have to answer > no, > > > its not working out ? > > > > > > pardon my passion on this subject (@mailing list) but ive kept quiet > for > > > too long. id rather get an argument started on this rather then let > wave > > > die the slow death that it is currently facing. passion is what wave > > needs > > > right now, not patience. > > > > > > i dont think moving wave to github or getting everyone to actually use > > wave > > > will magically make everything better, but i think that is a step in > the > > > right direction that Should have been taken a long time ago. > > > > > > theres no reason that moving discussion to a wave server reduces the > open > > > nature of the discussion, as stated previously, its trivial to make an > > > anonymous account to grant anyone access to this discussion if it was > on > > a > > > wave server. also anyone can register on a wave server and participate > in > > > the discussion if the wave has been setup properly, theres even a patch > > > somewhere for rendering wave files as html files which would make it > > > searchable by google and everyone esle. federation should make > > propogating > > > this data to multiple servers possible, using wave as the main > discussion > > > area maintains the openness , searchability, and also longevity of the > > > discussion. > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Christian Grobmeier < > > grobme...@gmail.com > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > On 29 Nov 2013, at 16:40, Fleeky Flanco wrote: > > > > > > > > i really dont understand why i have to be explaining the usefullness > > of > > > >> using wave to communicate with the people on this list. its kindof > > > >> amazing. > > > >> > > > > > > > > If you don't understand why we operate on a mailing list then you > > > probably > > > > have > > > > not understood that the ASF tries to develop in an open way. All > > > > discussions must held > > > > public and must be archived for a long time. The only solution so far > > is > > > > mailing lists. > > > > Wave is simply not that far to provide that at the moment. > > > > > > > > Of course there is an opportunity to bring Wave to the ASF. But there > > are > > > > a lot of requirements > > > > to meet. If you want to develop here, you need to fulfill these > > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > We have discussed that several times. Every of the committers > > understood > > > > these requirements > > > > and were working against them. However Wave is not there yet. > > > > > > > > This doesn't answer the question which was initially asked: is the > ASF > > > the > > > > right place? > > > > Or more precise: can we as a project ever succeed the incubator and > > > become > > > > an ASF project? > > > > > > > > This has nothing to do with the great technology behind Wave nor the > > > > willingness of people. > > > > It is: is there enough manpower to live the ASF way or not. > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> fleeky > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Robert Brumbelow < > > > rkbrumbe...@gmail.com > > > >> >wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Fleeky, those are fine for us, they will do little for outside > > > >>> exposure. I would suspect having to use wave in order to learn to > use > > > >>> wave might be self defeating. > > > >>> > > > >>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Fleeky Flanco <fle...@gmail.com> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Building+Wave+in+a+Box > > > >>>> > > > >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Home > > > >>>> > > > >>>> also there is #wiab on irc.freenode.net > > > >>>> > > > >>>> also Ali just a few emails up mentioned that you could start a > > > >>>> discussion > > > >>>> on his wave server , why not try those things first? and if there > > is > > > a > > > >>>> problem, go to Ali's wave server and simply start a problems wave > > add > > > >>>> the > > > >>>> participant @domain to the wave and everyone inclduing Ali on that > > > >>>> server > > > >>>> should be able to see your problem wave, and maybe attempt to > answer > > > >>>> your > > > >>>> problem. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -fleeky > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Robert Brumbelow < > > > >>>> rkbrumbe...@gmail.com > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Thomas, > > > >>>>> Hangouts on air are the recorded versions of Google Hangouts, > > > >>>>> they are streamed and recorded via Youtube. Screencasts, I > thought, > > > >>>>> also defaulted to being recorded. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I know during my years of teaching, video was often preferred by > > > >>>>> students simply because even in step by step instruction, aka > hand > > > >>>>> holding, there would be something glossed over, ignored or > assumed > > > >>>>> known by students or the teacher. Video shows every keystroke, > > > command > > > >>>>> and mouse movement > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> Kelly Brumbelow > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > --- > > > > http://www.grobmeier.de > > > > @grobmeier > > > > GPG: 0xA5CC90DB > > > > > > > > > >
