On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 10:56 PM Andrei Popov <Andrei.Popov=
40microsoft....@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> Yes, we need SecP384 hybrids.
>
> More generally, I see two separate hybrid key exchange drafts under
> discussion in the TLS WG:
> - draft-ietf-tls-hybrid-design-10 refers to pre-standard Kyber;
> - draft-kwiatkowski-tls-ecdhe-mlkem-01 defines hybrids with ML-KEM 768.
>

The latter is merely an instantiation of the former. A few IETF ago we
wanted to add codepoints to hybrid-design for X25519Kyber768Draft00, but
the working group felt that a separate document was more appropriate.
hybrid-design only mentions pre-standards Kyber, because it wasn't updated
to reflect the release of ML-KEM. It doesn't define codepoints.



>
> Both drafts are on the Informational track. Do we really need two separate
> documents? Also, shouldn't this work be on the Standards track?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andrei
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alicja Kario <hka...@redhat.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2024 4:40 AM
> To: Kris Kwiatkowski <k...@amongbytes.com>; tls@ietf.org
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] draft-kwiatkowski-tls-ecdhe-mlkem and P-384
>
> Hello,
>
> What's the situation with other groups for TLS 1.3?
> Specifically, are there any plans to specify SecP384r1MLKEM1024?
>
> As mentioned in multiple emails already, high security system already have
> a strict requirement to use P-384 curve exclusively.
> Similarly, for post-quantum resistance they will be required to use
> ML-KEM-1024.
>
> Will you add it to the draft, or should we start work on a separate one
> that defines those hybrid algorithms?
> --
> Regards,
> Alicja (nee Hubert) Kario
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