Preserving the RING ABOVE symbol might be made compatible with a front-end
display option by making use of the OSIS note element.
<note type="x-nomen-sacrum"">˚</note>Θεοῦ
Note markers can also be preserved by using thenattribute on thenoteelement but
that is not recommended. (From theOSIS User Manualsection 8.5.3. Note Markers )
<noten="˚"type="x-nomen-sacrum"">ΘΥ</note>Θεοῦ
Best regards,
David
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On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 2:34 PM, Alan Bunning <greekc...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> The intent was to show the full word and only indicate that it was originally
> shown in nomina sacra. Thus, if there is a way, it would be better to show
> the whole word and merely note that it was nomina sacra in some attribute.
> There are are sometimes more than one form of nomina sacra abbreviation for a
> given word, thus the ˚ symbol is merely indicating it was abbreviated with
> out indicating a particular form of nomina sacra. If that can't be done
> elegantly, then I would suggest simply stripping out the ˚ symbol entirely
> and just show the full word.
>
> Alan Bunning, D.Litt.
> Executive Director
> Center for New Testament Restoration
> https://greekcntr.org
>
> On 3/13/2025 10:22 AM, David Haslam wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Alan, for the explanation.
>>
>> This then prompts a suggestion as to the potential use of the OSIS abbr
>> element for each instance. This would require that each type of nomina
>> sacrum would then need to be retained as the abbreviation, and then expanded
>> using the XML attribute, e.g.
>>
>> <abbr expansion="Θεοῦ">ΘΥ</abbr>
>>
>> Please refer to the OSIS User Manualsection 13.2
>>
>> NB. I don't know whether the SWORD engine has any code to display the
>> expansions!
>> The coders might enlighten us on this point. I have therefore cc: to
>> sword-devel in this reply.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David
>>
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>>
>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:45 PM, Alan Bunning
>> [<greekc...@gmail.com>](mailto:greekc...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, that symbol is used to mark nomina sacra.
>>>
>>> Alan Bunning, D.Litt.
>>> Executive Director
>>> Center for New Testament Restoration
>>> https://greekcntr.org
>>>
>>> On 3/13/2025 9:42 AM, Kovács Zoltán wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Alan,
>>>> I received the following emails. I haven't looked into them very much, but
>>>> maybe you want to join the conversation.
>>>> Blessings, Zoltan
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> Feladó: David Haslam <dfh...@protonmail.com>
>>>> Date: 2025. márc. 13., Cs, 14:37
>>>> Subject: Re: [modules] New Beta Module: StatResGNT
>>>> To: pierre amadio <amadio.pie...@gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: Kovács Zoltán <kov...@gmail.com>, <modu...@crosswire.org>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Pierre,
>>>>
>>>> That's a very plausible explanation!
>>>>
>>>> Here are the relevant lines from my word count.
>>>>
>>>>> Word Count
>>>>> ˚Θεέ 2
>>>>> ˚Θεοῦ 690
>>>>> ˚Θεόν 73
>>>>> ˚Θεός 68
>>>>> ˚Θεὸν 72
>>>>> ˚Θεὸς 239
>>>>> ˚Θεῷ 158
>>>>> ˚Κυρίου 231
>>>>> ˚Κυρίῳ 95
>>>>> ˚Κύριε 89
>>>>> ˚Κύριον 63
>>>>> ˚Κύριος 139
>>>>> ˚Κύριόν 1
>>>>> ˚Κύριός 10
>>>>> ˚Πνεύματι 59
>>>>> ˚Πνεύματος 79
>>>>> ˚Πνεύματός 5
>>>>> ˚Πνεῦμά 7
>>>>> ˚Πνεῦμα 99
>>>>> ˚Χριστέ 1
>>>>> ˚Χριστοῦ 252
>>>>> ˚Χριστόν 18
>>>>> ˚Χριστός 41
>>>>> ˚Χριστὸν 48
>>>>> ˚Χριστὸς 71
>>>>> ˚Χριστῷ 104
>>>>> ˚θεὸς 1
>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦ 329
>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦν 126
>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦς 456
>>>>
>>>> NB. If this is a technical means to mark the use of nomina sacra, then it
>>>> ought to be described in the conf file!
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:11 PM, pierre amadio
>>>> amadio.pie...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi there.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I know, there is no such greek accent as a circular mark
>>>>> such as Ring Above (U+02DA).
>>>>> Looking at the source text, they seem to always appears next to words
>>>>> such as
>>>>> https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/main/SR.txt
>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦ ˚Χριστοῦ,
>>>>> ˚Πνεύματος
>>>>> ˚Κυρίου
>>>>>
>>>>> Could it be a way to mark the use of a nomina sacra in manuscripts ?
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomina_sacra
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 at 13:38, Kovács Zoltán kov...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, David, I will look into it and get back to you.
>>>>>> Best, Zoltan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Haslam dfh...@protonmail.com ezt írta (időpont: 2025. márc. 13.,
>>>>>> Cs, 13:33):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arising from the grapheme count, I have a further technical query.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are 3626 instances of U+02DA RING ABOVE.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am wondering whether these would be better being all replaced by
>>>>>>> U+030A COMBINING RING ABOVE, and if so, whether the mark should follow
>>>>>>> the Greek letter rather than precede it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NB. My knowledge of Ancient Greek accents rules is fairly limited.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Q. What is the most suitable Unicode font for viewing a Greek NT text?
>>>>>>> Might it be sensible to include such an element in the .conf file?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 12:13 PM, David Haslam
>>>>>>> dfh...@protonmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Kovács,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Using BabelPad Tools, I have just done a grapheme count on the full
>>>>>>> Greek text with accents.
>>>>>>> i.e. After first stripping out the references from the diatheke output.
>>>>>>> See inside attached 7-Zip file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are two left/right count mismatches that ought to be looked at.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2018 ‘ 483
>>>>>>> 2019 ’ 484
>>>>>>> 201C “ 1,904
>>>>>>> 201D ” 1,907
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cf. The counts of left/right parentheses were OK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 0028 ( 62
>>>>>>> 0029 ) 62
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 11:59 AM, David Haslam
>>>>>>> dfh...@protonmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This module has the wrong Versification.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a Greek NT and therefore LXX is simply the wrong choice!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please fix this ASAP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dom, Please also fix any bug in your script that led to this mistake!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 12th, 2025 at 5:52 PM, dom...@crosswire.org
>>>>>>> dom...@crosswire.org wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is to announce that we have just now uploaded StatResGNT
>>>>>>> in the CrossWire beta repository for testing purposes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If no raised concern nor a quality alert has been sent on the list,
>>>>>>> StatResGNT will be published in a week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is an update.
>>>>>>> Language=Ancient Greek (to 1453)
>>>>>>> Version=1.3
>>>>>>> History_1.3=(2025-03-12) Update to newest release (last database
>>>>>>> change: 2024-07-16)
>>>>>>> TextSource=https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/master/SR.txt
>>>>>>> Versification=LXX
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many thanks to Kovács_Zoltán for the hard work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yours
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S.: This email is sent automatically.
>>>>>>>
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