Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-13 Thread JZ
Ok, so someone is doing IT and has questions. Thank you! [I did not post this using another name, because I am too honorable to do that.] This is a list discussion, should not be paused for one voice. best, z [If Orvar has other questions that I have not addressed, please ask me off-list. It's

Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenSolaris better Than Solaris10u6 with requards to ARECA Raid Card

2009-01-13 Thread zfs user
Charles Wright wrote: > Under Solaris 10 u6 , No matter how I configured my ARECA 1261ML Raid card > I got errors on all drives that result from SCSI timeout errors. [snip litany of errors] I had similar problems on a 1120 card with 2008.05 I upgraded to 2008.11 and the something*.16 sun areca d

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-13 Thread JZ
Still not happy? I guess I will have do more spam myself -- So, I have to explain why I didn't like Linux but I like MS and OpenSolaris? I don't have any religious love for MS or Sun. Just that I believe, talents are best utilized in an organized and systematic fashion, to benefit the whole. Lea

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-13 Thread JZ
no one is working tonight? where is the discussions? ok, I will not be picking on Orvar all the time, if that's why... the windows statements was heavy, but hey, I am at home, not at work, it was just because Orvar was suffering. folks, are we not going to do IT just because I played wi

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-13 Thread JZ
Ok, Orvar, that's why I always liked you. You really want to get to the point, otherwise you won't give up. So this is all about the Windows thing huh? Yes, I love MS Storage because we shared/sharing a common dream. Yes, I love King and High because they are not arrogant if you respect them. A

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs ZFS + HW raid? Which is best?

2009-01-13 Thread JZ
The way I do IT, very much inline with Ian approach. I wouldn't care too much about SW RAID or HW RAID, but only because I use a layer of real "application aware" storage tier to interface with the specific applications. [they pay other folks to do the RAID layer] But this approach is clearly o

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs ZFS + HW raid? Which is best?

2009-01-13 Thread JZ
OMG, we are still doing this Orvar thing? I am even sick of seafood now and had a 2X-BLT NYC style for lunch today, so nice I didn't even bother checking on beloved Orvar... You open folks may not need 7000 because you dunno why it's cool. If you pay for those, you will never have to be at this l

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs ZFS + HW raid? Which is best?

2009-01-13 Thread Richard Elling
Vincent Fox wrote: > I dunno man, just tell you what works well for me with the hardware I have > here. > > If you can go out and buy all new equipment like 7000-series storage then you > don't need HW RAID. > IMHO a 7000 system is "hardware" RAID: a controller providing data services. -- ri

Re: [zfs-discuss] Odd network performance with ZFS/CIFS

2009-01-13 Thread Nathan Kroenert
2C from Oz: Windows (at least XP - I have thus far been lucky enough to avoid running vista on metal) has packet schedulers, quality of service settings and other crap that can severely impact windows performance on the network. I have found that setting the following made a difference to me:

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs ZFS + HW raid? Which is best?

2009-01-13 Thread Miles Nordin
> "ok" == Orvar Korvar writes: ok> Does HW raid + ZFS give any gains, compared to only ok> ZFS? yes. listed in my post. ok> The question is, is ZFS that good, that HW raid can be ok> omitted? No, that is not The Question! You assume there are no downsides to using ZFS wi

Re: [zfs-discuss] Odd network performance with ZFS/CIFS

2009-01-13 Thread fredrick phol
I'm currently experiencing exactly the same problem and it's been driving me nuts. Tried open soalris and am currently running the latest version of SXCE both with exactly the same results. This issue occurs with both CIFS which shows the speed degrade and ISCSI which just starts off at the low

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I do this? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-01-13 Thread Dave
Don't try to mount the same zvol on two different machines at the same time. You will end up with a corrupted pool. EXPORT the zpool from your mac first. If you run 'zpool import -d /dev/zvol/dsk/' on the solaris box, your Zpool from the Mac iSCSI volume should show up. If it shows up then you

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I do this? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-01-13 Thread LEES, Cooper
M, Just taking a stab at it. Yes. This should work - well mounting it locally through ISCSI - there may be a smarter way ... ?? Install iscsi client (if you don't already have it installed): pfexec pkg install SUNWiscs Then follow the documentation on mounting ISCSI luns on Opensolaris si

[zfs-discuss] Can I do this?

2009-01-13 Thread M
I currently am sharing out zfs ISCSI volumes from a solaris server to a Mac. I installed ZFS locally on the mac, created a local zfs pool and put a zfs filesystem on the local volume. Can I now mount the volume on the Solaris server and see the data? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs ZFS + HW raid? Which is best?

2009-01-13 Thread Vincent Fox
I dunno man, just tell you what works well for me with the hardware I have here. If you can go out and buy all new equipment like 7000-series storage then you don't need HW RAID. If you don't need HA & clustering & all that jazz then just get a bunch of big drives and ZFS RAID-10 them. As a pr

Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenSolaris better Than Solaris10u6 with requards to ARECA Raid Card

2009-01-13 Thread Charles Wright
Thanks for the reply, I've also had issue with consumer class drives and other raid cards. The drives I have here (all 16 drives) are Seagate® Barracuda® ES enterprise hard drives Model Number ST3500630NS If the problem was with the drive I would expect the same behavior in both solaris and o

Re: [zfs-discuss] Adding Supermicro aoc-sat2-mv8 to existing system

2009-01-13 Thread Tim
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Jon Tsu wrote: > Hi > > I have a Solaris based home nas and wish to add the Supermicro aoc-sat2-mv8 > 8 port SATA card to add more disks to the existing zpool. Is it a case of > physically installing the card and using cfgmadm -al ? > > Thanks. > -- > Since you'

Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenSolaris better Than Solaris10u6 with requards to ARECA Raid Card

2009-01-13 Thread t. johnson
Just a hunch.. but what kind of drives are you using? Many of the raid card vendors report that "consumer class" drives are incompatible with their cards because the drives will spend much longer trying to recover from failure than the "enterprise class" drives will. This causes the card to thin

Re: [zfs-discuss] SDXC and the future of ZFS

2009-01-13 Thread Roch Bourbonnais
Le 12 janv. 09 à 17:39, Carson Gaspar a écrit : > Joerg Schilling wrote: >> Fabian Wörner wrote: >> >>> my post was not to start a discuss gpl<>cddl. >>> It just an idea to promote ZFS and OPENSOLARIS >>> If it was against anything than against exfat, nothing else!!! >> >> If you like to pro

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs ZFS + HW raid? Which is best?

2009-01-13 Thread Ian Collins
Orvar Korvar wrote: > Oh, thanx for your very informative answer. Ive added a link to your > information in this thread: > > But... Sorry, but I wrote wrong. I meant "I will not recommend against HW > raid + ZFS anymore" instead of "... recommend against HW raid". > > The windows people's questio

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs ZFS + HW raid? Which is best?

2009-01-13 Thread Roch Bourbonnais
Le 13 janv. 09 à 21:49, Orvar Korvar a écrit : > Oh, thanx for your very informative answer. Ive added a link to your > information in this thread: > > But... Sorry, but I wrote wrong. I meant "I will not recommend > against HW raid + ZFS anymore" instead of "... recommend against HW > raid

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs ZFS + HW raid? Which is best?

2009-01-13 Thread Orvar Korvar
So you recommend ZFS + HW raid, instead of only ZFS? It is preferable to add HW raid to ZFS? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs ZFS + HW raid? Which is best?

2009-01-13 Thread Orvar Korvar
Oh, thanx for your very informative answer. Ive added a link to your information in this thread: But... Sorry, but I wrote wrong. I meant "I will not recommend against HW raid + ZFS anymore" instead of "... recommend against HW raid". The windows people's question is: which is better? 1. HW rai

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-13 Thread Orvar Korvar
Got some more information about HW raid vs ZFS: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=326654#326654 -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/l

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs & iscsi sustained write performance

2009-01-13 Thread milosz
iperf test coming out fine, actually... iperf -s -w 64k iperf -c -w 64k -t 900 -i 5 [ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth [ 5] 0.0-899.9 sec 81.1 GBytes774 Mbits/sec totally steady. i could probably implement some tweaks to improve it, but if i were getting a steady 77% of gigabi

Re: [zfs-discuss] mirror rpool

2009-01-13 Thread Guido Glaus
Wanna give # zpool attach -f rpool c3d0s0 c3d1p0 ...a try ? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs ZFS + HW raid? Which is best?

2009-01-13 Thread Vincent Fox
I happen to have some 3510, 3511 on SAN, and older 3310 direct-attach arrays around here. Also some newer 2540 arrays. Our preferred setup for the past year or so, is 2 arrays available to the server. >From each array make 2 LUNS available. Take these LUNs on the server and ZFS them as RAID-10

Re: [zfs-discuss] ISCI Network Hang - Lun becomes unavailable

2009-01-13 Thread M
The client isn't losing the network. After the issue I am still able to ping other systems and get to the web from the mac. On the other hand I cant ping any hosts or get to the web from the server. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-d

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs panic

2009-01-13 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Tue, January 13, 2009 09:51, Neil Perrin wrote: > I'm sorry about the problems. We try to be responsive to fixing bugs and > implementing new features that people are requesting for ZFS. > It's not always possible to get it right. In this instance I don't think > the > bug was reproducible, and

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs ZFS + HW raid? Which is best?

2009-01-13 Thread Miles Nordin
> "ok" == Orvar Korvar writes: ok> Nobody really knows for sure. ok> I will tell people that ZFS + HW raid is good enough, and I ok> will not recommend against HW raid anymore. jesus, ok fine if you threaten to let ignorant Windows morons strut around like arrogant experts, voic

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs panic

2009-01-13 Thread Neil Perrin
I'm sorry about the problems. We try to be responsive to fixing bugs and implementing new features that people are requesting for ZFS. It's not always possible to get it right. In this instance I don't think the bug was reproducible, and perhaps that's why it hasn't received the attention it deserv

[zfs-discuss] OpenSolaris better Than Solaris10u6 with requards to ARECA Raid Card

2009-01-13 Thread Charles Wright
Under Solaris 10 u6 , No matter how I configured my ARECA 1261ML Raid card I got errors on all drives that result from SCSI timeout errors. yoda:~ # tail -f /var/adm/messages Jan 9 11:03:47 yoda.asc.edu scsi: [ID 107833 kern.notice] Requested Block: 239683776 Error Block:

[zfs-discuss] Adding Supermicro aoc-sat2-mv8 to existing system

2009-01-13 Thread Jon Tsu
Hi I have a Solaris based home nas and wish to add the Supermicro aoc-sat2-mv8 8 port SATA card to add more disks to the existing zpool. Is it a case of physically installing the card and using cfgmadm -al ? Thanks. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org __

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs panic

2009-01-13 Thread Krzys
To be honest I am quite surprised as this bug you referring to was submited early in 2008 and last updated over the summer. Quite surprised that Sun did not come up with a fix for it so far. ZFS is certainly gaining some popularity at my workplace, and we were thinking of using it instead of v

[zfs-discuss] mirror rpool

2009-01-13 Thread mijenix
Hi Host: VirtualBox 2.1.0 (WinXP SP3) Guest: OSol 5.11snv_101b IDE Primary Master: 10 GB, rpool IDE Primary Slave: 10 GB, empty format output: AVAILABLE DISK SELECTIONS: 0. c3d0 /pci0,0/pci-...@1,1/i...@0/c...@0,0 1. c3d1 /pci0,0/pci-...@1,1/i...

Re: [zfs-discuss] separate home "partition"?

2009-01-13 Thread Cyril Plisko
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Johan Hartzenberg wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Johan Hartzenberg > wrote: >> >> >> I have this situation working and use my "shared" pool between Linux and >> Solaris. Note: The shared pool needs to reside on a whole physical disk or >> on a pri

Re: [zfs-discuss] separate home "partition"?

2009-01-13 Thread Johan Hartzenberg
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Johan Hartzenberg wrote: > > > I have this situation working and use my "shared" pool between Linux and > Solaris. Note: The shared pool needs to reside on a whole physical disk or > on a primary fdisk partition, Unless something changed since I last checked, > S

[zfs-discuss] ZFS on partitions

2009-01-13 Thread Brian Wilson
Does creating ZFS pools on multiple partitions on the same physical drive still run into the performance and other issues that putting pools in slices does? ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/lis

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs ZFS + HW raid? Which is best?

2009-01-13 Thread Orvar Korvar
Ok, I draw the conclusion that there is no consensus on this. Nobody really knows for sure. I am in the process of converting some Windows guys to ZFS, and they think that HW raid + ZFS should be better than only ZFS. I tell them they should ditch their HW raid, but can not really motivate why

Re: [zfs-discuss] Reboot during import

2009-01-13 Thread Tobbe Lundberg
The output of zpool import is now j...@opensolaris:~# zpool import pool: tank id: 12465835398523411309 state: DEGRADED status: The pool was last accessed by another system. action: The pool can be imported despite missing or damaged devices. The fault tolerance of the pool may be co

Re: [zfs-discuss] [osol-help] dataset is busy error

2009-01-13 Thread Tim Foster
This is a known bug: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6749498 - being a duplicate of an existing bug: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6462803 cheers, tim On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 14:07 -0800, Robert Bauer wrote: > Time slider is not wo

Re: [zfs-discuss] dataset is busy error

2009-01-13 Thread Ian Collins
Robert Bauer wrote: > I cced my question to the ZFS discuss group. > Which was? -- Ian. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] dataset is busy error

2009-01-13 Thread Robert Bauer
I cced my question to the ZFS discuss group. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss