Re: Where is a working sandbox and a demo site?

2013-12-02 Thread Frank R.
And also https://wave-dev.alown.co.uk On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:26 AM, Yuri Z wrote: > Try http://waveinabox.net > > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Basavaraj K N [MaGE] < > basavaraj...@manipalglobal.com> wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Are there any sandbox or demo site? Can't see much of community

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2013 ([ppmc])

2013-12-02 Thread Ali Lown
I will try to fix those files later today/tomorrow. Do you want to look for some suitable (perhaps CC?) Thumbnail images? I assume this means you would like to roll an RC5? Ali On 2 Dec 2013 20:24, "Yuri Z" wrote: > Thanks. > As it seems the only real issue we have is with the thumbnails > fro

Re: Setting up Wave for client development (my experience setting up on WindowsXP)

2013-12-02 Thread Thomas Wrobel
bah...need to sign up to Oracle just to download JDK6 now? seriously >_< This is the sort of thing that puts people off :-/ *files it under "do tommorow" ~~~ Thomas & Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 Decem

Re: Wave Kickstarter

2013-12-02 Thread Fleeky Flanco
the beauty of joseph trying to do a kickstarter to essentially restart development on a 'spiritual' successor to wave is actually wave could still stay in asf, as a legacy fallback option. i feel like joseph manning up and really trying to set some real focus to his own coding goals will be a win-

Re: Setting up Wave for client development (my experience setting up on WindowsXP)

2013-12-02 Thread Thomas Wrobel
ah...no...a fresh download of jdk7 I'll downgrade. ~~~ Thomas & Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 21:39, Ali Lown wrote: > Are you definitely using jdk6? > On 2 Dec 2013 20:25, "Thomas Wrobe

Re: Setting up Wave for client development (my experience setting up on WindowsXP)

2013-12-02 Thread Ali Lown
Are you definitely using jdk6? On 2 Dec 2013 20:25, "Thomas Wrobel" wrote: > Thanks - I'll use that one as a reference now, but I'll aim to edit/update > the other one (as that seems a bit more "friendly" for someone getting > started). > --- > Notes #4: > ant get-third-party is needed before run

Re: Where is a working sandbox and a demo site?

2013-12-02 Thread Yuri Z
Try http://waveinabox.net On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Basavaraj K N [MaGE] < basavaraj...@manipalglobal.com> wrote: > Hi > > Are there any sandbox or demo site? Can't see much of community > activities, also most of the links on Apache wiki are dead > > Thanks > Basavaraj > > > Mailgate Noti

Re: Setting up Wave for client development (my experience setting up on WindowsXP)

2013-12-02 Thread Thomas Wrobel
Thanks - I'll use that one as a reference now, but I'll aim to edit/update the other one (as that seems a bit more "friendly" for someone getting started). --- Notes #4: ant get-third-party is needed before running ant. --- Stuck #4: Build error; C:\TomsProjects\wave>ant Buildfile: C:\TomsProjects\

Where is a working sandbox and a demo site?

2013-12-02 Thread Basavaraj K N [MaGE]
Hi Are there any sandbox or demo site? Can't see much of community activities, also most of the links on Apache wiki are dead Thanks Basavaraj Mailgate Notification - Note: Our email domain has moved to @manipalglobal.com DI

Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Dec 2013 ([ppmc])

2013-12-02 Thread Yuri Z
Thanks. As it seems the only real issue we have is with the thumbnails from thumbnail_patterns, which were submitted by Andrew Kaplanov. I am not sure regarding their source. I think we will have to remove them or replace by something made by us. Ali, any chance that you can try to fix the remaini

Re: Setting up Wave for client development (my experience setting up on WindowsXP)

2013-12-02 Thread Yuri Z
I think the most up to date installation guide is the README file - https://github.com/apache/wave/blob/trunk/README On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Thomas Wrobel wrote: > Stuck #3: > "ANT" > Buildfile: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml > > check-test-dependencies: > > BUILD FAILED > C:\TomsProje

Re: Wave Kickstarter

2013-12-02 Thread Joseph Gentle
In defence of the team, it always takes awhile to figure out what the best way to modularize a software project is when you're implementing a new idea. The right abstractions always seem obvious in retrospect, but until you've thought about it a lot its not obvious at all. For example, moving from

Re: Wave Kickstarter

2013-12-02 Thread Joseph Gentle
... Not to mention that I'm not completely convinced that I want to deliver the actual email-like client as part of the project. The thing that excites me is the platform that people can build collaborative tools & systems on top of. I will probably change the name too. From my original post above

Re: Wave Kickstarter

2013-12-02 Thread Thomas Wrobel
Assuming the protocol still maintains waves ability's; *open *federated *selective sharing (that is, sharing X with just a few people) *realtime Wave should be the name given to the server to server protocol, imho, but not much else. Google made the mistake of calling everything wave. The server to

Re: Wave Kickstarter

2013-12-02 Thread Patrick Coleman
The proposal seems to include rewriting the OT stack, changing the language(s) the client and server are written in, and moving to github. If this is the case, is there any point in still being called Wave? It sounds like not much will be able to be transferred other than knowledge, so is there an

Re: Wave Kickstarter

2013-12-02 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 2 Dec 2013, at 18:35, Joseph Gentle wrote: On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: That all being said, with all the new ideas and hope I would say we should postpone the "go to github discussion" a little more. I think ppl will support some ASF Wave more than a "random

Re: Incubation status

2013-12-02 Thread Ryan Hill
It sounds as though the project has momentum on two or more compatible fronts. I'm most interested in the mavenization effort and would be happy to help test. -R On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Michael MacFadden < michael.macfad...@gmail.com> wrote: > I would still be more than happy to press

Re: Wave Kickstarter

2013-12-02 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Matthew: send an empty mail to: wave-dev-unsubcr...@incubator.apache.org and follow the instructions then On 2 Dec 2013, at 18:37, Matthew Murphy wrote: I’ve been getting these emails for awhile now and none of them are really relevant to me. I am not a developer just an end user, How do I

Re: Incubation status

2013-12-02 Thread John Blossom
@Thomas Wrobel. This is probably a matter of discussion for another time in terms of what the consensus is, especially since I haven't been an active part of that consensus for a long time. But I would agree that not enough talent willing to focus on Wave is a big problem. It's not clear that Gith

Re: Incubation status

2013-12-02 Thread Ryan Hill
It sounds as though the project has momentum on two (or more?) compatible fronts. I'm personally very interested in the mavenization effort and would be happy to help test. -R On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Michael MacFadden < michael.macfad...@gmail.com> wrote: > I would still be more than

Re: Incubation status

2013-12-02 Thread Thomas Wrobel
On 2 December 2013 18:57, Fleeky Flanco wrote: > i think the most usefull reason to move to github, is that one of the only > active coders feels like doing it .. hence we should support that person :) +1 Provided none of the other active coders disagree, I think thats pretty much the only argu

Re: Incubation status

2013-12-02 Thread Fleeky Flanco
i think the most usefull reason to move to github, is that one of the only active coders feels like doing it .. hence we should support that person :) On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Wrobel wrote: > "But for > that commitment, we need more consensus about what Wave should try to be " > >

Re: Wave Kickstarter

2013-12-02 Thread Matthew Murphy
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Re: Wave Kickstarter

2013-12-02 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > Hi, > > On 1 Dec 2013, at 19:24, Joseph Gentle wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Ali Lown wrote: >>> My only worry with a KS is how do we market it? As beyond putting it >>> on Hacker News, explaining an P2P OT-backend communic

Re: Incubation status

2013-12-02 Thread Thomas Wrobel
"But for that commitment, we need more consensus about what Wave should try to be " Is there really a lack of consensus here? I think , imho, we have a consensus, just not the skill/time. ~~~ Thomas & Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel

Re: Setting up Wave for client development (my experience setting up on WindowsXP)

2013-12-02 Thread Thomas Wrobel
Stuck #3: "ANT" Buildfile: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml check-test-dependencies: BUILD FAILED C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml:259: You need to execute the get-third-party targ et to download dependencies required for tests compilation, i.e. ant get-third-p arty. third_party/test/emma/emma_ant.ja

Re: Incubation status

2013-12-02 Thread John Blossom
Christian, Although I support the incubator's goals, it seems that there is probably a fundamental mismatch between the state of Apache Wave and where and how Wave needs to develop. I am one of the people who had to stand back from Wave a while back. I was enthusiastic about the possibility of Ap

Re: Incubation status

2013-12-02 Thread Ben Hegarty
Hi Guys, I don't normally say very much on this list but I keep a keen eye on what is going on, because I have over the last 12/18 months been trying to bring my knowledge of GWT, Java and eclipse up to a point where I can use these tools and potentially use WIAB as part of a project I'm working on

Re: Incubation status

2013-12-02 Thread Upayavira
Personally, I'd say do anything that helps people work. The release is important in Apache terms, but right now, we're looking at how to have a community at all. A release with no community to back it wouldn't give the world much. So, if folks think that Mavenization helps, and will ease developm

Re: Setting up Wave for client development (my experience setting up on WindowsXP)

2013-12-02 Thread Thomas Wrobel
Note #2: Should be made clear your need JDK installed, with a link to the Java site. (not just JRE). Note #3: Should be clarified that the ANT command doesn't work in XP just by adding its path to a "ANT" system variable. The path to ANT has to be added to the already existing PATH system variabl