"But for that commitment, we need more consensus about what Wave should try to be "
Is there really a lack of consensus here? I think , imho, we have a consensus, just not the skill/time. ~~~ Thomas & Bertines online review show: http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :) On 2 December 2013 16:51, John Blossom <jblos...@gmail.com> wrote: > Christian, > > Although I support the incubator's goals, it seems that there is probably a > fundamental mismatch between the state of Apache Wave and where and how > Wave needs to develop. > > I am one of the people who had to stand back from Wave a while back. I was > enthusiastic about the possibility of Apache acting as a strong framework > for Wave, but it seems that it's at the wrong stage of development to > benefit from everything that Apache offers. I must also admit that the new > Gmail inbox doesn't draw me to forum posts as much as it used to. The > community tools of Apache aren't getting my attention, for whatever reason. > > Wave is trying to define lots of new bits of technology that don't > necessarily have a fixed architecture yet or even a place in other fixed > architectures. Months later, we're still at a point where we have a body of > code that's still largely a specific user client rather than an agile > development platform that can enable a wide variety of apps via a common > set of communications and data management protocols and standards. Most > importantly from my own perspective, it's not moved significantly towards > an architecture that could be strongly mobile first with both synchronous > and asynchronous publishing. So for me, it's not meeting the goals of what > Wave 3.0 could be. At the same time you have initiatives like Motorola's > Project Ara for open source mobile hardware development that would be ideal > for some of the things that Wave could do in developing nations, as well as > open source mobile OS initiatives, so open and mobile as a combination are > progressing. > > I wish that I were still an active coder (sometimes), but I am not, and I > am not going to be able to reach my goals without committed coders. But for > that commitment, we need more consensus about what Wave should try to be in > an increasingly crowded market for collaborative services. From that > perspective, Wave seems to need a bit more direction than the Apache > framework can manage at this point. There's not a body of code that meets a > well defined market objective - that's a profile for success in Apache, it > seems, looking at some of the other projects. Open or not, every platform > must find a need and fill it. > > Finally, since commitment seems to be partially a factor of funding, > perhaps a more independent project on Github (assuming that there are no > remnant Google claims) might make it easier for independent teams to > attract funding via crowdsourcing platforms once a more concrete goal has > been defined. Once such a project met with some initial success, perhaps > there could be a body of code that could be nurtured in the Apache > framework at a later time. > > I am sorry to have dropped out of this loop, but I have had to focus on > money-generating opportunities more intently, if I could balance that with > Wave a bit more easily then it would be easier to focus, no doubt. But life > goes on, and I know that Wave will always go on. If there are team members > who feel that I can contribute positively in this transition, feel free to > stay in touch. > > > All the best, > > John Blossom > > email: jblos...@gmail.com > phone: 203.293.8511 > google+: google.com/+JohnBlossom > > > On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 5:02 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > it seems as the first steam with the new people is gone. > > > > I believe it makes sense to discuss if the incubator is the right place. > > Incubation has a specific goal: forming a team which can do releases and > > is - in a way - active. > > > > I see there is little activity at all. The only person i have seen > working > > on the codebase recently was Ali. > > He also was the release manager of package which had trouble to receive > > the necessary votes from its own team. > > > > My hope was this would change in the past months. But today I have only > > little hope. > > > > Playing the devils advocate I ask you (again): > > > > Do you folks believe the incubator can ever be completed as it is now? > > > > If you believe yes, please let me know why or how we can achieve that > goal. > > > > Otherwise my recommendation is to move Wave to GitHub and close the > > incubation until the community around Wave has grown. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Christian > > > > > > --- > > http://www.grobmeier.de > > @grobmeier > > GPG: 0xA5CC90DB > > >
