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On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Joseph Gentle <jose...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> <grobme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 1 Dec 2013, at 19:24, Joseph Gentle wrote:
>>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Ali Lown <a...@lown.me.uk> wrote:
>>>> My only worry with a KS is how do we market it? As beyond putting it
>>>> on Hacker News, explaining an P2P OT-backend communication system is
>>>> likely to confuse (if not discourage) potential backers.
>>>> (It also sounds more like the abstract for some academic research,
>>>> than a commercial project [the issue with being on the edge of
>>>> research for this technology]).
>>>
>>> Aside from hackernews, we should talk to techcrunch and all the other
>>> little tech news places. We should do a meetup on the topic here in SF
>>> to gather support, and we should try to sell the story to our local
>>> newspapers in our hometowns. I have friends who are good at this stuff
>>> that I can call on.
>>>
>>> I agree though - the hardest part is (as you say) figuring out how we
>>> distill down the idea to make it easy to explain.
>>
>> I can help a little with marketing. I have a well visited blog meanwhile
>> and the right story might draw some good attention to a kickstarter campaign.
>
> Oh sweet, thanks! We'll also want to do a media blitz, telling
> techcrunch and all those guys.
>
>> As I have some interest in making Wave happen and so I would even support
>> the Kickstarter myself with $.
>>
>> That all being said, with all the new ideas and hope I would say we should
>> postpone the "go to github discussion" a little more. I think ppl will
>> support some ASF Wave more than a "random github Wave". And be it only
>> because of the safety for a clean IP.
>
> Actually, I don't want to run this project through the ASF:
> - I'd prefer to use the benevolent dictator model, at least for the
> initial development period. I don't think the ASF is the right place
> for brand new projects, and this will be entirely new code.
> - I don't want to have to convince a peanut gallery of backers before
> I make decisions about the project. I'm happy for the input, but
> building consensus amongst 1000 people for every decision will kill
> any project.
> - Politically, I will also need to develop out of github for the
> hip-new-project feel. Even google has started putting their projects
> on github.
>
> I'm don't actually think people will support an ASF wave more - I
> doubt most developers know who the ASF are or what they do, let alone
> regular people. The developers who have heard of the ASF probably
> associate it more with old, mature XML libraries, Java build tools
> with bad websites & enterprise tools like hadoop rather than young
> agile projects. The ASF might make sense after a year or two, but I
> want the project to mature outside of the ASF first.
>
> The IP will be clean anyway - it'll be entirely new code, and I'll
> probably keep the apache2 license for patent protection (that won't do
> much for a standalone project, but I might be able to flee under the
> apache umbrella if any patent trolls actually come knocking).
>
>> Please let me know if I can do more to support this effort (speaking with
>> my entrepreneur hat on, not my ASF hat)
>
> Thanks - I may well take you up on that :)
>
> I think the biggest way people will be able to help is to help get the
> word out if/when we launch a kickstarter. For this sort of thing we'll
> want a media blitz in the first few days of launching the kickstarter
> to build momentum and get people talking about it.
>
> -J
>
>> Cheers
>> Christian
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -J
>>
>>
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