On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Jonathan Barker <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> You've been too active with technical issues on the list to be labeled a
> troll... unless Rob has a split personality and you are the side that
> actually knows something. Hmmm. An interesting email address, BT
the company I work for; Over the last few
> > > > > years, I've trained perhaps 100 developers at many different
> > companies
> > > > > on how to use Tapestry. I'm likely to double that number in the
> > next
> > > > > year ... and that's just
On 4/18/08, Angelo Turetta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And why your hypothetical 1.0 need not to be compatible with 2.0, whereas
> just because Tapestry 4.0 is not compatible with 5.0 you feel like defending
> someone deliberately insulting Howard?
In my humble opinion, Yura is not defending Rob
Expressing dissent is not trolling. Sure one could argue that what
constitutes trolling is subjective, but almost any reasonable person can
discern when the line has been crossed. Francis is a lying mischievous
fool that periodically chimes in in hopes of pissing off users, or
scaring off newbies.
nko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 2:17 PM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: AW: AW: Getting Answers on the User List
>
> I hope after reading my post you won't add me to this page -
> http://wiki.apache.org/tapestry/Tapestry5Trolls
> I really wan
Yura Tkachenko wrote:
I hope after reading my post you won't add me to this page -
http://wiki.apache.org/tapestry/Tapestry5Trolls
I really want to defend Rob :-) Since some of his points are real problems
of Tapestry.
I will say it again: backward compatibility.
Of course major releases shouldn'
I hope after reading my post you won't add me to this page -
http://wiki.apache.org/tapestry/Tapestry5Trolls
I really want to defend Rob :-) Since some of his points are real problems
of Tapestry.
I will say it again: backward compatibility.
Of course major releases shouldn't be compatible, i.e. 1.
Rob Smeets wrote:
Left me alone, Tapestry should be kicked from Apache because it's destroying
it's image.
If it was in my power, YOU would be kicked from Apache and all their m/l.
Chris, I see you constantly linking me to others. Who is that Francis? I
hope he/she (since that name sounds fem
re.
> > > 4. In 7 years of existense of Tapestry, Howard has only been able to
> > train
> > > just a 100 Tapestry users.
> > >
> > I do not care, and I doubt people building their T5 apps with the ease
> > they are care either.
> > > What is th
On 4/17/08, Chris Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Rob Smeets wrote:
> > Chris,
> > 1. Every Tapestry major release is backward incompatible with previous
> > releases.
> >
>
> This is public knowledge and documented on the Tapestry website (5 not
> compatible with 4).
Howard has stated
>
> 1. Every Tapestry major release is backward incompatible with previous
> releases.
Releases of many frameworks are incompatible with each other. The change
from 3 to 4 was minor
and with the change from 4 to 5, one can still use the same HTML templates
and do a fairly good upgrade.
Versi
>
> I want you to take a close look at the following points I've been making
> and
> tell me which one is a misinformation.
>
> 1. Every Tapestry major release is backward incompatible with previous
> releases.
That's true and really inconvenient. On the other hand I also complain about
framewor
Chris Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Francis (as Rob):
http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-AW%3A-Getting-Answers-on-the-User-List-p16679523.html
"...not only are high profile Tapestry
users abandoning Tapestry, high profile sites which were using Tapestry
are
also ditching Tapestry..."
g their T5 apps with the ease
> they are care either.
> > What is the misinformation here, Chris? Don't avoid any of them or
> dilute
> > them with anything else, please, else I would label you a big coward,
> which
> > so far hasn't crossed my mind you are.
> &g
10:59 AM, Chris Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Francis (as Rob):
>>
>>
>> http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-AW%3A-Getting-Answers-on-the-User-List-p16679523.html
>> "...not only are high profile Tapestry
>> users abandoning Tapestry, hi
):
>
>
> http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-AW%3A-Getting-Answers-on-the-User-List-p16679523.html
> "...not only are high profile Tapestry
> users abandoning Tapestry, high profile sites which were using Tapestry
> are
> also ditching Tapestry..." - *FUD*
>
>
&
Francis (as Rob):
http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-AW%3A-Getting-Answers-on-the-User-List-p16679523.html
"...not only are high profile Tapestry
users abandoning Tapestry, high profile sites which were using Tapestry are
also ditching Tapestry..." - *FUD*
http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Getting-
; > >
> > > So please stop insulting them.
> > >
> > > Rob Smeets wrote:
> > >> Like those reading now, I'm smelling something fishy here.
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > > To
fun again.
>>>
>>> So please stop insulting them.
>>>
>>> Rob Smeets wrote:
>>>
>>>> Like those reading now, I'm smelling something fishy here.
>>>>
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> Rob Smeets wrote:
>> Like those reading now, I'm smelling something fishy here.
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Rob your English is by no question admirable but you drove quite
to far. I like all those Tapestry folks - special thanks to the core
team and Howard from me. Thanks to their affords Web-Development
Is fun again.
So please stop insulting them.
Rob Smeets wrote:
> Like those reading now, I'm sme
Great! Thanks for that link Michael, I was looking for that.
chris
Michael Gerzabek wrote:
> well if you don't have gmail you can also use
>
> https://mail.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=abuse_phishing
>
>
> Links to Program Policies and Terms of Use are included.
>
> Michael
>
>
Rob Smeets wrote:
Like those reading now, I'm smelling something fishy here.
Yes, seems to come from inside your pants...
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Great! Thanks Michael I was looking for that.
chris
Michael Gerzabek wrote:
> well if you don't have gmail you can also use
>
> https://mail.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=abuse_phishing
>
>
> Links to Program Policies and Terms of Use are included.
>
> Michael
>
> Davor Hrg schri
Awesome! Violating CS101?! Classic! Dude, you should get your own
show on comedy central.
Christian.
On 15-Apr-08, at 06:34 , Rob Smeets wrote:
Oh, Mr. Lewis Ship, so you're musical. All the musicians I know who
program
are forward thinking people and very talented. They don't go and do
well if you don't have gmail you can also use
https://mail.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=abuse_phishing
Links to Program Policies and Terms of Use are included.
Michael
Davor Hrg schrieb:
did it :)
take a random post from rob and do it also if you have gamil acc.
all the pos
did it :)
take a random post from rob and do it also if you have gamil acc.
all the posts are offensive more or less
https://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=29381
Davor Hrg
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Michael Gerzabek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> +1
>
> Chris Lewis schrieb:
+1
Chris Lewis schrieb:
I think it's about time we report this jackass to google or even the
FTC. Apart from being a bothersome embarrassment to humanity, he's most
likely in violation of google's terms of service as well as at least one
law.
Rob Smeets wrote:
Oh, Mr. Lewis Ship, so you're
;>
>>> > > > up of the many, many Tapestry users who love the framework and
>>>
>> can't
>>
>>> > > > stand to
Blimey, they really are out to get you Rob!
Run, run like the wind...
> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Smeets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 15 April 2008 11:27
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: AW: Getting Answers on the User List
>
> Oh, Jesse help me here. Yo
gt; > > > > years, I've trained perhaps 100 developers at many different
> companies
> > > > > on how to use Tapestry. I'm likely to double that number in the
> next
> > > > > year ... and that's just the tiny tip of the iceberg of Tapestry
> users
> >
at 10:59 AM, Angelo Turetta
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> wrote:
> > > > > Martin Kersten wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I start to like him. What a nice
him. What a nice smile this little post put on my
> > > face. I
> > > > like him. He is like the guy who let the sun stay a bit higher if you
> > >
a
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> > > > > Martin Kersten wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I start to like him. What a nice smile this little post put on my
> > > > face. I
> > > &g
gt; > like him. He is like the guy who let the sun stay a bit higher if you
> > > know
> > > > what I mean. :-)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You lucky !!!
> > > >
> > > > I, on the opposite, just hope som
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
2008/4/11, Rob Smeets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> And especially, Howard himself recently participates in the answering of
> questions. Thanks to the stiff competition out there in the webframework
> space that has triggered this. His ego we
Thanks for the good user (developer) stories in this thread, will be
good to put them in the main tapestry web site, and thanks Rob "The
Grumpy Dwarf" that unintentionally help these stories to emerge, and
show the people behind this list.
César.
--
post put on my
> > > face. I
> > > > like him. He is like the guy who let the sun stay a bit higher if
> you
> > > know
> > > > what I mean. :-)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You lucky !!!
> > > >
> &
ing
license,
and
I won't happen to pass near Utrecht anytime soon :)
What a pity it's always idiots that happen to have so much free
time. I
just barely manage to spare the time to read the lists I'm
interested
in,
while he follows tapestry's just to insult Howard and cru
ky !!!
> > >
> > > I, on the opposite, just hope someone would 'accidentally' pass over
> > him on
> > > a 16-wheeler. I'd do it myself, except I have no truck driving
> > license, and
> > > I won't happen to pass near Utrecht anytime
t a pity it's always idiots that happen to have so much free time. I
> > just barely manage to spare the time to read the lists I'm interested
> in,
> > while he follows tapestry's just to insult Howard and crunch balls to
> all
> > the others...
> >
>
There are so many interesting replies over here. As for me I found this list
is very interesting. This is a great place where you can find a lot useful
information. Also if you can ask right question definitely you can get right
answer which is great. Anyway as Java developer my first technology wa
Howard Lewis Ship schrieb:
The reality is that right now I'm sitting in an office at Formos and
every single person in the building is deriving their living directly
from Tapestry and the effort I've put into it over the last seven
years. And that's just the company I work for; Over the last few
A big hello and thanks to Rob!
Reading this post it came to my mind through Rob's playing the devils
advocate here he is really improving this user-list's community.
And there are one personal experience and one common though to share
with you.
1. Personal experience with Wicket
Long befor
Great post Onno! +1
Like Jan, I also find Rob pretty amusing. You never know, maybe one day his
messages about the version incompatibilities will help someone who has somehow
managed to miss the statements on the Tapestry site, however unlikely that
might be.
> > Take for example Kent Tong, th
ay, April 11, 2008 10:34 AM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: Getting Answers on the User List
>
> And especially, Howard himself recently participates in the answering of
> questions. Thanks to the stiff competition out there in the webframework
> space that has triggered this
> Take for example Kent Tong, the former Tapestry commiter. He has now even
> written a book on
> Wicket.
..and he has written yet another one on JSF after that. So clearly he must
not like Wicket very much :o)
Seriously though: I have used Tapestry 3 on several projects. I've used
Tapestry 4 o
> > I won't happen to pass near Utrecht anytime soon :)
> >
> >
> > What a pity it's always idiots that happen to have so much free time. I
> > just barely manage to spare the time to read the lists I'm interested
> in,
> > while he follows
ity it's always idiots that happen to have so much free time. I
> just barely manage to spare the time to read the lists I'm interested in,
> while he follows tapestry's just to insult Howard and crunch balls to all
Howard,
Do like I do - just laugh at his remarks. At first I thought it was
annoying, now I think they're actually quite funny. Not that they have any
technical merit.
-J.
> Yawn.
>
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Rob Smeets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> And especially, Howard himself recentl
ile he follows tapestry's just to insult Howard and crunch balls
to all the others...
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Rob Smeets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. April 2008 16:34
An: Tapestry users
Betreff: R
Yawn.
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Rob Smeets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And especially, Howard himself recently participates in the answering of
> questions. Thanks to the stiff competition out there in the webframework
> space that has triggered this. His ego went too high and I'm glad h
: Tapestry users
Betreff: Re: Getting Answers on the User List
And especially, Howard himself recently participates in the answering of
questions. Thanks to the stiff competition out there in the webframework space
that has triggered this. His ego went too high and I'm glad he is finally
hum
And especially, Howard himself recently participates in the answering of
questions. Thanks to the stiff competition out there in the webframework
space that has triggered this. His ego went too high and I'm glad he is
finally humbling himself. It's rather unfortunate he got awaken only after
Tapest
That's what I'm talkin' about!
Francois Armand wrote:
> Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
>> Just want to say thanks to everyone whose providing answers and
>> support on the users list. I'm really impressed by how much Tapestry
>> 5 knowledge is out there.
>>
> Not to forget the irc channel on freenod
Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
Just want to say thanks to everyone whose providing answers and
support on the users list. I'm really impressed by how much Tapestry
5 knowledge is out there.
Not to forget the irc channel on freenode: #tapestry ;)
--
Francois Armand
Etudes & Développements J2EE
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Just want to say thanks to everyone whose providing answers and
support on the users list. I'm really impressed by how much Tapestry
5 knowledge is out there.
Many hands make light work.
Keep up the great effort!
--
Howard M. Lewis Ship
Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind
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