Blimey, they really are out to get you Rob! Run, run like the wind...
> -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Smeets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 15 April 2008 11:27 > To: Tapestry users > Subject: Re: AW: Getting Answers on the User List > > Oh, Jesse help me here. You wrote that you tend to delete my emails > without > reading them but you are obviously replying to one of them. Like those > reading now, I'm smelling something fishy here. Or did your slave > master > Howard come to drag and force you to reply? It seems, like the other > high > profile users, you too are quietly dissapearing but Howard came to > bribe you > to come and show your face here because of the remark I made about you. > That's sad. If you've quit Tapestry don't be shy to admit. Above all > you'll > be free from your master since he's been treating you like a slave for > too > long a time. And everyone here would rejoice a slave is finally set > free. > > Yours friendly, > > Rob > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:19 AM, Jesse Kuhnert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Just very busy with work and playing video games. (Tapestry has > > improved my lifestyle in this area immensely ) > > > > I usually spend more time writing code and learning than > communicating > > with humans, so it's easy to get lost in that sometimes. > > > > (sorry if you've felt ignored, I tend to delete your private emails > > when I see who the sender is without reading them - as you have > > nothing interesting to offer) > > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Rob Smeets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > And please allow me to also mention that, not only are high profile > > Tapestry > > > users abandoning Tapestry, high profile sites which were using > Tapestry > > are > > > also ditching Tapestry. An example is theserverside.com which > whacked > > > Tapestry like a baseball from their servers and replaced it with > > another > > > webframework, maybe Wicket, I'm not sure. This because they have a > > business > > > model that looked forward into the future. Their model wasn't > > compatible > > > with Tapestry, which would have meant in every major release they > would > > have > > > to rewrite their frontend all over again and again. > > > > > > BTW, why is Jesse Kuhnert not participating anymore in the forum? > Is he > > > going to be the next to deflect? > > > > > > Yours friendly, > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Rob Smeets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Howard, > > > > > > > > Please stop throwing a dark blanket on me condemning me. Why not > pick > > on > > > > the points I made head on and defend yourself? Wel, > > > > I'm not surprised you're not doing it because you are not > destined to > > take > > > > challenges head on. > > > > Is it not true Tapestry's popularity has diminished over the > last > > couple > > > > of years or so? Is it not true high profile users have > > > > fled away from Tapestry like flies. If you dispute this I can > even > > name > > > > more names. That within 7 years you've > > > > trained only 100 developers says a lot about the status of > Tapestry. > > I > > > > would have expected more than a 1,000 within the seven years, > > > > if you say Tapestry is one of the best. I know the mass used to > > follow > > > > Tapestry. But the unfortunate thing is at the release of > > > > any major version, you punch them hard in the stomach and then > they > > flee > > > > from the schock and pain. At a point in time your > > > > ego became inflated to an explosive point. And as we all know, > from > > any > > > > bubble there is a burst. That's why you're in the current > > > > state. > > > > The solution to all your current travails? Maybe you should > rename > > > > Tapestry 5, to maybe Wicketstry, because it > > > > resembles Wicket so much. By doing so all the misery and the > hooplas > > about > > > > backward incompatibilty would end and you'll have > > > > your peace of mind. > > > > > > > > Howard, I'm only a messenger and as the saying goes, don't > persecute > > the > > > > messenger. > > > > > > > > Yours friendly, > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Howard Lewis Ship > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > My father in law is a brilliant marketer; he has this > incredible > > > > > ability to pick up the jargon and terminology of whatever he's > > working > > > > > with. I remember picking him up from the airport once and > he's > > > > > chatting about Tapestry and Spring and all that ... and he > really > > > > > doesn't know what it all is (nor would anyone expect him to), > but > > he's > > > > > able to use the correct words at the correct time and sound > like he > > > > > knows how everything fits together. It's actually quite > > impressive. > > > > > > > > > > I kind of picture Rob as a dark mirror image of this; perhaps > he's > > a > > > > > capable engineer with a weird streak and way too much time on > his > > > > > hands, but based on just the postings here, my picture is of a > > > > > socially awkward 15 year old with acne (and maybe a stutter) > who is > > > > > capable of stringing together words and phrases without really > > > > > understanding any of it. "Rob" gets a sense of power by > trying to > > > > > "tweak" myself and the Tapestry community. Very sad ... I > went > > though > > > > > a socially awkward stage (say, from age 12 to maybe 30 :-) ) > but I > > > > > don't remember ever having this kind of destructive, lizard- > brain > > > > > aspect. > > > > > > > > > > Mailing lists and blogs are not the real world; anyone who has > the > > > > > time and obsessive energy to post troll comments the way "Rob" > does > > > > > has pretty much discounted his voice. People whose opinion > counts, > > > > > those who have something valuable to say or have actually > > accomplished > > > > > something worthwhile, are WAY too busy to get into a verbal > > ping-pong > > > > > match with "Rob" here or on some other forum. In that respect, > Rob > > is > > > > > a somewhat positive force in the Tapestry world ... by getting > the > > ire > > > > > up of the many, many Tapestry users who love the framework and > > can't > > > > > stand to see it bashed. > > > > > > > > > > The reality is that right now I'm sitting in an office at > Formos > > and > > > > > every single person in the building is deriving their living > > directly > > > > > from Tapestry and the effort I've put into it over the last > seven > > > > > years. And that's just the company I work for; Over the last > few > > > > > years, I've trained perhaps 100 developers at many different > > companies > > > > > on how to use Tapestry. I'm likely to double that number in > the > > next > > > > > year ... and that's just the tiny tip of the iceberg of > Tapestry > > users > > > > > I know about. I'm excited about what I'm doing now, and I'm > > excited > > > > > about everything we have planned going forward. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Angelo Turetta > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> > wrote: > > > > > > Martin Kersten wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I start to like him. What a nice smile this little post > put on > > my > > > > > face. I > > > > > > like him. He is like the guy who let the sun stay a bit > higher if > > you > > > > > know > > > > > > what I mean. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You lucky !!! > > > > > > <joking> > > > > > > I, on the opposite, just hope someone would 'accidentally' > pass > > over > > > > > him on > > > > > > a 16-wheeler. I'd do it myself, except I have no truck > driving > > > > > license, and > > > > > > I won't happen to pass near Utrecht anytime soon :) > > > > > > </joking> > > > > > > > > > > > > What a pity it's always idiots that happen to have so much > free > > time. > > > > > I > > > > > > just barely manage to spare the time to read the lists I'm > > interested > > > > > in, > > > > > > while he follows tapestry's just to insult Howard and crunch > > balls to > > > > > all > > > > > > the others... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > > > > > > Von: Rob Smeets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: > Freitag, > > 11. > > > > > April > > > > > > 2008 16:34 > > > > > > > An: Tapestry users > > > > > > > Betreff: Re: Getting Answers on the User List > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: users- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Howard M. 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