Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

Send me an email off list with the title "Please Send me RevealCodes2.odt" And I will send you a couple of different versions. Two versions were created, and off hand I don't remember the difference between the versions. I did a test run and I added some fixes since they were broken, at least

Re: problems downloading OpenOffice

On Fri, 26 Jun 2015 20:47:27 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > > > On 06/26/2015 08:25 PM, James Knott wrote: > > On 06/26/2015 08:28 PM, Heidi Lasher-Oakes wrote: > >> I was unable to download a non-broken copy of OpenOffice today. I followed > >> the instructions on this > >>

Re: problems downloading OpenOffice

On 06/26/2015 08:25 PM, James Knott wrote: On 06/26/2015 08:28 PM, Heidi Lasher-Oakes wrote: I was unable to download a non-broken copy of OpenOffice today. I followed the instructions on this checksums page. Here is the information request

Re: problems downloading OpenOffice

On 06/26/2015 08:28 PM, Heidi Lasher-Oakes wrote: > I was unable to download a non-broken copy of OpenOffice today. I followed > the instructions on this > checksums page. Here is the information requested: > > I just downloaded the deb version

OO Styles - trying to get up to speed!

> On Jun 26, 2015, at 00:58, Dale Erwin wrote: > > You can also create a template containing any special collection of styles > you wish. Then, each time you create a document from that template it will > have those styles assigned to it. If you do not use a template to create a > new docum

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

> On Jun 26, 2015, at 17:20, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > > If one unzips the OpenOffice format file, the file content.xml contains the > underlying xml code which can readily be inspected and modified and the OO > file rebuilt. All codes are revealed by this process. not very user friendly! —

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

> On Jun 26, 2015, at 16:12, toki wrote: > >> I totally agree - Reveal Codes was a superb and valuable feature that SHOULD >> have been incorporated into OO. > > Did you ever use the Reveal Codes macro/extension for OpenOffice.org? This must be a well-kept secret! Can you provide a specific l

OT (was Question re/ using Open Office

> On Jun 26, 2015, at 09:19, Richard Fox wrote: > > Looks like we've both been around the block a time or 2 - though I'm not the > "techie" that you are. My first experience was in the early 60s. Learned to > write Fortran on an old Philco 2000 while working in research for an > aerospace div

Re: problems downloading OpenOffice

On 06/26/2015 07:22 PM, Jim McLaughlin wrote: First, thank you for forwarding so much data regarding the failed downloads. That is really helpful in terms of trouble shooting. I'm not the most knowledgible person on this list / board. I hope that either Brian Barker or Rory O'Farrell will ch

Re: problems downloading OpenOffice

First, thank you for forwarding so much data regarding the failed downloads. That is really helpful in terms of trouble shooting. I'm not the most knowledgible person on this list / board. I hope that either Brian Barker or Rory O'Farrell will chime in. In my limited experience, in downloading

problems downloading OpenOffice

I was unable to download a non-broken copy of OpenOffice today. I followed the instructions on this checksums page. Here is the information requested: Attempt #1: *1)* The exact file name of the downloaded installation file: Apache_OpenOffice_4

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

On 2015-06-26, 4:22 PM Johnny Rosenberg wrote: 2015-06-26 23:11 GMT+02:00 Jim McLaughlin : Oh. So that makes it kind of useless in a world of OO 4.1.1. Typical of the OO community. Well, I guess it's like everything else. Too few people seems to want the reveal codes functionality, or at

RE: Use of styles [was: Editor Wars!]

The TL;DR: OpenOffice and the OpenDocument Format *only* have styles and the styles work in hierarchies where style features are inherited and operate over different hierarchy classes of styles as well. So-called "local formatting" is accomplished by imposing styles. - Dennis BACKGROUND Whe

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

2015-06-26 23:11 GMT+02:00 Jim McLaughlin : > Oh. > > So that makes it kind of useless in a world of OO 4.1.1. > > Typical of the OO community. > Well, I guess it's like everything else. Too few people seems to want the reveal codes functionality, or at least none of them are developers. Why wou

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

On Friday 26 June 2015 03:03:18 PM John Hart wrote: > On 6/26/2015 1:12 PM, Dale Erwin wrote: > > On 6/26/2015 11:37 AM, Doug wrote: > >> However, if there were > >> > >> to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line > >> or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one delibe

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

On 6/26/2015 1:12 PM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/26/2015 11:37 AM, Doug wrote: However, if there were to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately returns to the style, then it might become a more user-friendly env

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

On Fri, 26 Jun 2015 14:11:47 -0700 Jim McLaughlin wrote: > Oh. > > So that makes it kind of useless in a world of OO 4.1.1. > > Typical of the OO community. > If one unzips the OpenOffice format file, the file content.xml contains the underlying xml code which can readily be inspected and

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

Oh. So that makes it kind of useless in a world of OO 4.1.1. Typical of the OO community. On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 2:06 PM, toki wrote: > > > On 06/26/2015 08:20 PM, Jim McLaughlin wrote: > > Where does one find this magical sounding macro/extension? > > I think that OOo 1.1.5 is the most re

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

On 06/26/2015 08:20 PM, Jim McLaughlin wrote: > Where does one find this magical sounding macro/extension? I think that OOo 1.1.5 is the most recent version that it can be installed, and run on. jonathon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

Where does one find this magical sounding macro/extension? On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 1:12 PM, toki wrote: > On 06/26/2015 01:57 AM, Julian Thomas wrote: > > > I totally agree - Reveal Codes was a superb and valuable feature that > SHOULD have been incorporated into OO. > > Did you ever use the Rev

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

On 6/26/2015 11:37 AM, Doug wrote: A style is a strait-jacket! If you should want to, say, indent something where the style does not allow it, you have to invoke some other style. Or maybe double indent it. Or lots of things that "break" the style that is presently in force. This strait-jacket

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

On 06/26/2015 01:57 AM, Julian Thomas wrote: > I totally agree - Reveal Codes was a superb and valuable feature that SHOULD > have been incorporated into OO. Did you ever use the Reveal Codes macro/extension for OpenOffice.org? jonathon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

> > Specific examples of typing whatever you want where you want would a > great help. Without specifics, there can be no solution to the problem. Then > it becomes like a man telling a doctor, "I don't feel good" over the > telephone. The doctor is not likely to tell the man what he needs

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

On 06/25/2015 09:57 PM, Julian Thomas wrote: On Jun 25, 2015, at 21:11, Andrew Pitonyak wrote: I still have a great fondness for Word Perfect. The "Reveal Codes" function gave me total control. Even more so than Micro$loth Word. I totally agree - Reveal Codes was a superb and valuable feat

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

Good luck to you, Doug. To swipe a concept from an old Apple commercial, “The most powerful software is the one people use.” If what you’re using gets the job done, then your question is answered: Use it. WordPerfect, Word and AOo have learning curves; if you don’t need to invest the time on tho

Re: Question re/ using Open Office

On 06/26/2015 12:01 PM, Richard Fox wrote: > I've considered trying Linux, but I'm afraid that I have too many > programs that I rely on that won't be available. There's a couple of things you can do. Many Windows apps can run in something called "wine" or the commercial version, CrossOver Office.

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

On 06/26/2015 12:16 PM, Dan Lewis wrote: As I mentioned before, I have given up on OO and LO becasue of the style problem. However, it occurs to me that the style problem could be easily fixed (by the devs) if there was a simple bypass arrangement that could be invoked when you want to evad

Re: Use of styles [was: Editor Wars!]

At 11:26 26/06/2015 -0400, Dan Lewis wrote: One thing that I *do not* do is use the styles list across the top of Apache OO. (*B*,/I, /_U_) I know that you know what you mean, but you will confuse the masses by saying this. Bold, italic, and underline can indeed be aspects of both character s

Re: Question re/ using Open Office

Thanks, James. That actually makes sense. It looked to me like a registry problem. I think I'm going to install OO on my wife's Win 7 system and see what happens. You've been a great help. I wish others were that persistent. I've considered trying Linux, but I'm afraid that I have too many pro

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

As I mentioned before, I have given up on OO and LO becasue of the style problem. However, it occurs to me that the style problem could be easily fixed (by the devs) if there was a simple bypass arrangement that could be invoked when you want to evade the style momentarily--say ALT-F12 or some

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

On 06/26/2015 12:08 AM, Jim McLaughlin wrote: "It's only money." You couldn't be more wrong. With OO 4.1.1 there is no money involved. What is involved is how I choose to employ my time. And with me, and apparently a lot of other people, learning the "styles" silliness is not worthwhile.

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

2015-06-26 17:48 GMT+02:00 James Knott : > On 06/26/2015 11:45 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > > Apache OpenOffice is not bug free of course, but so far it didn't destroy > > any of my files. > > We can fix that. ;-) > Thanks… :P > > --

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

On 06/26/2015 11:45 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > Apache OpenOffice is not bug free of course, but so far it didn't destroy > any of my files. We can fix that. ;-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.or

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

2015-06-25 18:56 GMT+02:00 William and Michele Suepke < worryl...@thesuepkes.com>: > Hi Johnny, > > You mentioned LibreOffice and OpenOffice. I have been using LibroOffice > but now you have interested me into looking into OpenOffice. What do you > see as good points? > Bill > LibreOffice has s

Re: Question re/ using Open Office

On 06/26/2015 09:19 AM, Richard Fox wrote: > Thanks again for your help. If you ever figure out a way to open MS > files with "open as", please let me know. In the meantime, I have a > workable solution. I just checked with Windows 10. I normally use Windows 7, when I have to use Windows. W10

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

2015-06-26 17:37 GMT+02:00 Doug : > > > On 06/26/2015 11:26 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: > >> On 06/25/2015 08:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: >> >>> What do you do if most every document you create with your word >>> processor (WP) is in a different "style," & you don't know its "style" >>> until you fi

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

On 06/26/2015 11:26 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: On 06/25/2015 08:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor (WP) is in a different "style," & you don't know its "style" until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

On 06/25/2015 08:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor (WP) is in a different "style," & you don't know its "style" until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot of specialized lists & inventories w/ my WP

Re: Question re/ using Open Office

On Fri, 26 Jun 2015 09:12:26 -0400 Bruce Pierson wrote: > And I thought I was ancient using an Osborne 1 (with Super Calc) and a DEC > PDP 8 recording data from a No. 5 Cross Bar switch. Back in the 80's > > *"The Department of Redundancy Department"* > I build several Z80s using motherboard

Re: Question re/ using Open Office

Looks like we've both been around the block a time or 2 - though I'm not the "techie" that you are. My first experience was in the early 60s. Learned to write Fortran on an old Philco 2000 while working in research for an aerospace division of Ford. I joined IBM in 1968 and although I was in sal

Re: Question re/ using Open Office

And I thought I was ancient using an Osborne 1 (with Super Calc) and a DEC PDP 8 recording data from a No. 5 Cross Bar switch. Back in the 80's *"The Department of Redundancy Department"* On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 7:59 AM, James Knott wrote: > On 06/26/2015 01:08 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: > > Do

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

Assigning “a” style to a document makes sense only if it’s a one-page document, and doesn’t have any complexity at all: Just straight text. As a real estate appraiser, I produce 200+ page reports that contain may page styles: —Title page, with 0.25" margins, no header/footer, no page number, ne

Re: Question re/ using Open Office

On 06/26/2015 01:08 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: > Do they still make mainframes? Yes, but these days they're clusters of thousands of CPUs, usually running Linux. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For ad

Re: Question re/ using Open Office

On 06/26/2015 12:06 AM, Robert Jackson wrote: > The first computer we owned was a MITS Altair 8800 - > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altair_8800 > > Here's the IMSAI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSAI_8080 ---

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user

On 6/25/2015 8:53 PM, Joe Conner wrote: It would be useful to have a definition/characterization of each of the various styles in the standard install. The names are available, but sometimes they are not very informative. I would like less of the trial and experiment and more of an intelligent ch