So If I where using JSF, I would have to:
Ask my designer to write a nice layout provinding a css that controls
everything and html that plays nice with the css and then I would have
to turn that html into JSF tags while I pray for the layout to not get
screwed.
Or I can teach my designer ho
what I meant is something else:
if you compare html+css and xml+xsl: in html-css, there is no
"direction" - practically (theoretically maybe not...) they must be
coupled to achieve good results-
xml-xsl on the other side has a flow: first comes the xml (or rather
dtd) , then you write an xsl wh
That is the well maintained MYTH of XSLT,
no XSL cannot transforme XML into anything (or it is insanely painful) that is
why it needs to be extended with real languages or replaced with XML-Query
http://kgionline.com/articles/xsl_50_faster.jsp
Ron Piterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: the xml can b
I know I know, that's why I say good content / style separation is a
*programming issue*. How do I provide templating facilities that allow
me to synchronize design work and integrate with my own database
connection routines and loops and such? That's a programming problem,
that Tapestry resolv
I don't fully agree with you -
ofcause, in theory, everyone can write good html, even java programmers ;-)
but if you work with a web-designer, you can not split the work: I write
the html and you do the styling with the css - they are coupled together
- they don't relate to each other like xm
Is a matter of order and of knowing the technology we are working with.
It's a myth that a good programmer can't be a good HTML coder (note that
I say *coder*, not designer).
Good separation of content / style is a programming issue, not a design one.
For me, bad HTML or CSS, given the current
--Original Message-
From: Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:43 PM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: Gavin King's comment about presentation code and CSS in
Javaposse podcast
Well then the problem is the java programmer, not the CSS! I always
Well then the problem is the java programmer, not the CSS! I always
wonder how one guy who is disciplined enough to do proper JDBC and
transaction demarcation, or to build complex architectures, can't use
HTML as it was designed to. I think people underestimate the work of a
good web coder.
T
g paid too little ;-).
regards,
Mark
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From: Geoff Longman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 2/17/2006 9:47 AM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: Gavin King's comment about presentation code and CSS in Javaposse
podcast
>
> The beauty of Tapestry is that you _sh
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: Gavin King's comment about presentation code and CSS in Javaposse
podcast
csszengarden was created to encourage designers to use css by illustrating
that they dont need to use tables to create beautiful looking sites. its not
particularly aimed at accessib
>
> The beauty of Tapestry is that you _shouldn't_ be designing the pages but
> instead let your creative web designer do that.
Yup. We have that exact work separation and it works *perfectly*. Our
output (completed pages) is easily 3 times greater than any other
Tapestry project I've done where
n Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com/blog
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From: Paul Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:07 AM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: Gavin King's comment about presentation code and CSS in
Javaposse podcast
In theory, establish a clean cont
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From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Piterman
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:18 AM
To: tapestry-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Re: Gavin King's comment about presentation code and CSS in
Javaposse podcast
sure thing, but css and html work tight togeth
the nice point about it: how imressive csszengarden is, try letting a
java programmer write *the html* (of cssgarden) from scratch- that would
never work...
Cheers,
Ron
Konstantin Ignatyev wrote:
csszengarden looks really impressive till I press CTRL++ (scale fonts) or
resize browser window
csszengarden was created to encourage designers to use css by illustrating
that they dont need to use tables to create beautiful looking sites. its not
particularly aimed at accessibility... as a quick fix you could bring your
face closer to the monitor lol.
seperation between style and content is
og
-Original Message-
From: Paul Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:07 AM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: Gavin King's comment about presentation code and CSS in
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In theory, establish a clean content / presentation split between HTML a
csszengarden looks really impressive till I press CTRL++ (scale fonts) or
resize browser window.
IMO Non liquid layouts belong to PAPER, they should be banned from e-mediums.
albartell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's what I thought too until I saw it
on this site an realized how much
good css
I dunno, the project I'm working has no tables and all layout is done
using CSS. They key was to have a an HTML/CSS guru design the
templates from the beginning. No Java developer EVER modifies the css
and rarely needs to modify the html beyond the usual (jwcid).
It's been a joy to work this way.
fonts and
colors all in one place.
Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com/blog
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From: Paul Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:07 AM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: Gavin King's comment about presentation code and CSS in
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Gavin King's comment about presentation code and CSS in
Javaposse podcast
In theory, establish a clean content / presentation split between
HTML and CSS is a pleasing idea.
In practice, it's a bunch of starry-eyed crack-smoking idealism.
My $0.02.
P
On Feb 16, 2006, at 11:16 PM, Chr
In theory, establish a clean content / presentation split between
HTML and CSS is a pleasing idea.
In practice, it's a bunch of starry-eyed crack-smoking idealism.
My $0.02.
P
On Feb 16, 2006, at 11:16 PM, Chris Hughes wrote:
I agree with Gavin's sentiment that, in general, you want to do
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: Gavin King's comment about presentation code and CSS in
Javaposse podcast
Hmmm...I wish I could say more, but prefering to make mysterious and
unsubstantiated statements, I would say that my own personal opinion is that
Gavin might not be quite as down on tape
Hmmm...I wish I could say more, but prefering to make mysterious and
unsubstantiated statements, I would say that my own personal opinion is that
Gavin might not be quite as down on tapestrys component model as the
interview may make it seem..
Either way, I love hibernate and feel it's probably on
I agree with Gavin's sentiment that, in general, you want to do your
presentation work in CSS. However, in order for that to be effective, you
really need to have good mark-up to style.
The edge that I think Tapestry has here is that it makes it easy for me to
produce the mark-up, rather than rel
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