Java developers, unless they are EXPERTS in HTML and CSS (and very few are) 
waste an enormous amount of time trying to line stuff up and make it pretty.  
My advice and it works for us, DON'T LET THEM!!!  We prototype and let the GUI 
guy do his thang or he creates the sample screen and we convert it to Tapestry.

During the LAST week before we shipped the product the gui guy and CEO sat down 
and re-did the interface, NO developer involvement (none, zip, nada).  And then 
our customer support person came over and said how much it had improved the 
usability of the product.  It was bitter-sweet.  Great to NOT have to sit down 
and make mind-numbing HTML changes, but it was bitter because it improved the 
site and the developers couldn't take credit (sigh).

It is NOT cost effective to have a Java Developer doing HTML and CSS.  If it 
is, then your developers are getting paid too little ;-).

regards,

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Longman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 2/17/2006 9:47 AM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: Gavin King's comment about presentation code and CSS in Javaposse 
podcast
 
>
> The beauty of Tapestry is that you _shouldn't_ be designing the pages but
> instead let your creative web designer do that.


Yup. We have that exact work separation and it works *perfectly*.  Our
output (completed pages) is easily 3 times greater than any other
Tapestry project I've done where the java people mess with the
html/css.

Geoff

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