Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trailhead

> On Apr 13, 2015, at 11:12 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Greg Troxel > wrote: > Clifford Snow mailto:cliff...@snowandsnow.us>> > writes: > > > The trailhead proposal is long overdue. They are common around areas I've > > lived in t

Re: [Tagging] Highway barrier

> On Apr 14, 2015, at 8:04 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > I'd tend to think this would be an enforcement device and a barrier. Though, > shark teeth would be something different, tagged with highway=give_way where > the centerline of the way crosses the pavement marking. Wouldn’t the enforceme

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trailhead

> On Apr 15, 2015, at 6:35 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > > But there are cases where the trail-head has a given and well known NAME. > So far I generally tag that on the parking area, but parking is not > necessarily a requirement for having a trailhead. The easy definition is: A place where you

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trailhead

That sounds like switching modes of transportation to wilderness hiking to me! Javbw > On Apr 15, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > > A railway station with no parking leading to a trail can be a trailhead. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@o

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trailhead

> On Apr 15, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > > On paper maps major trailheads tend to be marked as such. The average > parking lot near a trail may not be. Just because it is unnamed (on the map you happen to be looking at) doesn’t mean it isn’t a trailhead. The maps I was lookin

Re: [Tagging] Defacto: man_made=storage_tank

On Apr 15, 2015, at 1:47 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Technically, buildings are a subset of man made structures, built for humans > occupancy, btw also under German law (de: Gebäude vs bauliche Anlagen). we have building=farm_auxiliary, shed, and roof, so I think it is broader than the g

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trailhead

> On Apr 15, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The easy definition is: A place where you you officially enter or exit a >> wilderness area on a maintained trail or track *and* there is some kind of >> allowance for switching modes of transportation. >> >> > Many 'tra

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

> > But there's no (easy) way to define an address connected to an unnamed road. > Way numbers > are not supported for addr:street, afik. most residential roads are totally unnamed in Japan. Most larger roads have a number (and a name). motorways (outside Tokyo) have only names. What we would

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - trailhead

> On Apr 17, 2015, at 7:08 PM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: > > Is it all about rendering the trailhead icon? For some users, that answer is yes. I have a question about this. Assuming the entrance=trailhead + leisure=tourism model is used, then as long as the path has the entrance=trailhead

Re: [Tagging] proposal - camp_site=

> On Apr 23, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Jan van Bekkum wrote: > > that have not been defined as campground, but that are used as such for > different reasons. That’s why I thought " informal yet legal spots" would be good wording to cover this, and maybe link over to the camp_type proposal here - bec

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Criteria for taging as either via_ferrata or path

The ones in Japan ( I have seen) are chains. Some routes are easily passible without chains, some are beyond vertical in spots with the chain to climb. And grandpas were climbing them with a pair of gloves. occasionally there were big anchor rings used as handholds. For the easier and crowded

Re: [Tagging] Artist studio?

a quick look through the shop= tag and the the amenity=studio (for audio) seems there is no good tag for that. My understanding of studios is that is where an artist creates, exhibits, and possibly sells their art. there is no documented craft=artist (as in canvas creator), but there is hou

Re: [Tagging] lost and found

Usually a mappable lost & found is for a large theme park (or large public complex - even large train stations) - so it would be a mappable node at high zoom levels. There is a tiny tiny table at my community center that has had the same pencase and scarf for 8 months. But it is a mappable poin

Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

> > A lot of Costco's customers are small businesses who buy wholesale 25 years ago this was their business model. (Price club). 15 years ago this was still true. This is not true any more. They still have business accounts (my friend has one), but I’ll bet you % of customers and % items

Re: [Tagging] HOT: potential Helicopter landings leisure=common

That reeks of tagging for the renderer. Surely there is a landuse=grass (or natural=meadow or scrub) + some sort of helipad tag that could be used for this. The grass or meadow or scrub by itself should (correctly) be rendered, and a private tag aeroway=rough_helipad or emergency_helipad or

Re: [Tagging] HOT: potential Helicopter landings leisure=common

> On May 11, 2015, at 6:02 PM, althio wrote: > > johnw mailto:jo...@mac.com>> wrote: >> The sports pitch in the middle of our local school sports stadium is also >> the staging grounds for wildfire fighting helicopters. >> >> I’m not about to add a

Re: [Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

> On May 12, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Satoshi IIDA wrote: > > > There are Japanese "non-baked" confectioneries. > (I believe similar confectioneries in other countries. esp. in Asia) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagashi > > If we take only a) plan, I'm afraid

Re: [Tagging] amenity vs. shop *=ice_cream

there are shops that sell ice cream that you do not consume on premises The ice cream/cake shop I used as an example (an ice cream and cake shop) sells pre-made cakes and prepackaged ice cream (some bulk, some singles, but packaged) meant purely for take home consumption, unlike Baskin Robbins/3

Re: [Tagging] Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging

> On May 15, 2015, at 8:02 PM, pmailkeey . wrote: > > area IS landuse - it has to be (landuse=ocean ) so we get > landuse=building even. > Uhhh. What? This is a clear about-face on the landuse tag then. Everywhere is clearly not a landuse. Most of the earth is not altered nor desig

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

> On May 19, 2015, at 2:24 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > You might ask, so what is keeping people from editing? We don’t need to speculate. It’s easy to understand what is holding people back. It’s the same thing that hold people back from replacing the brakes on their car - there is a lot of

Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

> On May 19, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > Am 18.05.2015 um 19:26 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt >: > >> Note 1: >> I'd rather duck tag this as an "amenity=pet_reli

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours default PH off

> On May 1, 2015, at 8:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > Am 30.04.2015 um 18:04 schrieb p...@trigpoint.me.uk > : > >>> It really makes more problems than it solves >> +1 > > +1 > > cheers > Martin +1 In Japan the public holidays are very very well

Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

The supermarket chain in my region (Joyful Honda) has carts for pets, and also a pet boarding area (a kennel to check your poodle into while you shop). this is a single large store. So we’re talking about pet “sitting” as opposed to pet boarding (like a pet hotel). This is beyond the tie-off

Re: [Tagging] Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging

> On May 16, 2015, at 10:29 PM, pmailkeey . wrote: > > Thanks for the post, John. > Thanks for reading ^^ > I think the problem is the tagging method. Why does there have to be two > parts to it ? beyond necessary database syntax (key=value), This is a flat vs hierarchical question. Do we

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

> > Depending on the country, state, area the address does not necessarily refer > to the building. > > In Australia the address refers to the property ie the plot of ground that is > defined by the cadastral plan. > > So those plots of ground may be 600 sq m or 1,000,000 hectares and may hav

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

Chain stores usually deal in camera sales and prints with a smattering of accessories and services, or a store that does head shots also rents gear or the like. They are usually a mixed bag. But even in my sleepy little town, there is a “camera” store. It is not a photo store, he doesn’t sell

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:40 AM, John Willis wrote: > >> Do you feel that maps for any given area should only be available to those >> fluent in the local language or languages? >> I realized I didn’t answer your question. TL;DR : - OSM should match the “ground truth” - which is that some cou

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

> On Jun 5, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > They have a baguette for a bakery instead of the bagel icon. yeah, you’re correct - having a Japanese version of OSM would solve icon rendering choices. It’s a good idea. I was trying to use it as an example of a little western bias. Howev

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess

> On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:11 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > >> But neither direction has the right of way and it is up to driver discretion >> and politeness as to who will reverse back to the passing bay. So oneway=no >> but twoway is not necessary yes. > i've used > > lanes=1 > > and omitted onew

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

> On Jun 5, 2015, at 8:26 AM, pmailkeey . wrote: > > I'm not a fan at all of non-physical road descriptions like primary, tertiary > etc. Japan completely breaks OSM road descriptions, and uses the classifications above tertiary to match their governmental classification scheme - even when a

Re: [Tagging] residential granularity / was Re: OSM is ... right ...

> On Jun 5, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > +1. Drawing a residential around a village was the early attempt with low-res > aerial images. With the level of detail you get from both 20cm imagery and > open-data property boundaries, my preferred level of granularity is up to a > block, i

[Tagging] access=student and entrance=inter-building: comments?

A month or so ago, new entrance=types came up, and I thought I had a couple new values for entrance. I’ve been thinking about them, and had these two ideas. Please comment on both. 1) Access=student - access designated for students of a school/facility, similar to customers of a shop or vis

Re: [Tagging] access=student and entrance=inter-building: comments?

> On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:50 PM, Dominik George wrote: > > Hi, > >> 1) >> Access=student - access designated for students of a school/facility, >> similar to customers of a shop or visitors of a facility. Does not imply >> age or gender, though it is used at mostly at K-12 facilities. For use >>

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

> On Jun 9, 2015, at 3:12 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > > There's a whole set of assumptions about each type of goverment office that > would be impossible to > consistently capture with generic tags. Here the "Duck" of duck typing says > call it by whatever it is known locally. > I think ther

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

> On Jun 9, 2015, at 8:07 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Everything else being the same (taxes, base fuel price, etc), minimum service > is always about 10-15 cents *cheaper* The idea that a human costs less than a credit card reader built in the pump is an intriguing proposition - are people do

Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

> > > tie-off points for leashes to leave a dog unattended for a short time Today I was out biking and I found one of the hooks for dog leashes. The name used on the pole was “lead hook”. It was for leaving your dog outside a convenience store while you went in to get a drink on your dog wa

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > this article names tax stamp and fiscal stamp as synonyms in the first > sentence > http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_stamp > Title says it all. __

Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > A > hook wouldn't be very secure. The double hook in the picture would only let the dog off if the leash handle were opened and pulled upwards. Which is not really gonna happen with a dog. They did have some spring, closing hooks, but

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> The name for them is revenue_stamp >> >> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_stamp >> >> > > > > this article names tax stamp and fiscal stamp as synonyms in the first > sen

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 9:16 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Selective blindness? California's not exactly been an exception when I've > been there. Lived there until I was 32, and pumped enough gas just for myself to drive 300,000 miles. Yea, there are shitty stations, but usually that is a fu

[Tagging] Off Topic: alignment point help

I know this is off-topic, but I am using iD, and I need an alignment point set from someone who uses JSOM and has automatic map offset correction setup. The people I usually ask have been away from OSM for over a month, and I don’t know who else to ask for this small favor. http://www.openstr

Re: [Tagging] Airport "Pet Relief Areas" (toilet and watering spot for pet and service animals)

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > But Aeroway=secure_area might be a usefull property tag to have ? > Would have applicatrion to those shops 'inside' the 'secure area'. This would be a very good attribute to a node dropped on a terminal building. Bein

Re: [Tagging] Airport "Pet Relief Areas" (toilet and watering spot for pet and service animals)

> > > It should be flexible enough to accommodate more than one type of secure: > > aeroway_security=sterile:international_transit aeroway_security=sterile:international_arrivals aeroway_security=sterile:international_departure > aeroway_security=sterile:domestic aeroway_security=sterile:dom

Re: [Tagging] Airport "Pet Relief Areas" (toilet and watering spot for pet and service animals)

I would like to make it a generic tag for many places, as pet relief areas show up in other places besides airports, just like prayer rooms, immigration, and security checkpoints. The ones I would like to map are on tollway service areas. Javbw > On Jun 11, 2015, at 1:47 AM, Bryce Nesbitt

[Tagging] Airport Security Zones (from pet relief area thread)

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > > wrote: > The 'sterile' I think is redundant. > > The sterile is not redundant, it's a grouping classifier. > Very important, given the bliz

Re: [Tagging] Off Topic: alignment point help

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > offsets are an approximation to reduce the inherent problems of some aerial > layers, they won't solve problems like distortions. JOSM isn't more precise > to find a "proper offset" than any other tool, I suggest you simply move

Re: [Tagging] Off Topic: alignment point help

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I also deal with places where the tracings/imports are 2-5 years old, nowhere > near aligned to the imagery, has several 20m shifts every few KM, so who > knows what is right > > > yes, that's the main problem, decide what is "

Re: [Tagging] README tag with editor support

> On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:55 AM, jgpacker wrote: > > This tag already exists and has editor support (at least in iD) for a > considerable time. > It's called note=*. > > Cheers, > João > Note doesn’t appear in a modal window when selecting an object, just on the list on the left (and offscreen

Re: [Tagging] Airport "Pet Relief Areas" (toilet and watering spot for pet and service animals)

> On Jun 13, 2015, at 8:04 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't think that level of detail is needed. Looking at the basic diagram linked to by Bryce, it looks like there is only 2-3 main categories, - and what goes in the categories for now can be inferred from imagery (for

Re: [Tagging] Airport "Pet Relief Areas" (toilet and watering spot for pet and service animals)

> On Jun 13, 2015, at 1:02 PM, John Eldredge wrote: > > The airport is likely to want a detailed map of the secure areas that are > off-limits to the general public, but they are unlikely to place that > information into a publicly-accessible database. As you say, the public map > will show

Re: [Tagging] Draft tag for Airport Security Zones | Non-voting procedure

> On Jun 15, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > I'm not really familiar with the topic, but in Europe there is a special > treatment for "Schengen passengers" see [1] > I wonder whether it is just the customs or that there are really zones > related to this within the airport. If so, the

Re: [Tagging] Draft tag for Airport Security Zones | Non-voting procedure

> On Jun 17, 2015, at 7:13 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Paul Norman > wrote: > They also tend to be less useful features because it's easier to look up for > a restroom sign than use a device. > > Agreed for restrooms. > > For

Re: [Tagging] Concrete kerbs in highway

Many tollways in rural Japan are 1/2 of the planned tollway road - they run the traffic on the completed side in both directions, one lane for each direction. The seperation is jsut a tiny little concrete kerb nailed into the road. almost any car could jump it really easily, as it is 20cm high.

Re: [Tagging] tagging large intersections cross-road sections

OSM is heavily invested in the “lanes” concept for an individual way, so tracing the individual lanes of a road with multiple way lines breaks OSM’s routing (as I understand it) There are plugins for JSOM to let you view the lanes you make. I personally have no idea how to use them or how to map

[Tagging] Rural Alley?

I live in Japan, where most of the flat land is covered in extremely mixed use cities and farm fields. Being an old asian country, there are tons and tons of old windy local roads that go everywhere, and being a first wold country, also a modern roadway system meant for cars. The modern roadway

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

> We have something similar in Korea. I have been using (and > recommending) highway=service. I can get behind that. > On Jul 8, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Paul Norman wrote: > > Tracks can be paved - tracktype=grade1 normally is paved, or is built to > equivalent quality. This is vey confusing to m

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

> On Jul 9, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I may be wrong, but I've always seen (rural) service roads as (typically > relatively short) access ways I normally do too. But Alleys are sometimes a kilometer long, paralleling the major road. This idea is what led me to Al

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

> On Jul 12, 2015, at 8:07 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > What you are trying to map is a landuse rather than the highways service? Imagine you live on a farm and you’ve never seen a a big city's alley - how would you explain why there is a narrow road next to the main road? the

Re: [Tagging] symmetrical guardrails

> On Jul 12, 2015, at 4:41 AM, John Eldredge wrote: > > Depending upon which side of the road the guardrail is on, either the left > side or right side may be inner. If there is a distinct inner and outer side, > the inner side will always be towards the traffic. > > Japanese motorway barrie

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

> On Jul 12, 2015, at 10:39 AM, Andrew Errington wrote: > > I think is is sufficient > to tag them with highway=service. Remember, service=* is simply > clarifying the kind of service road. yep, Just looking to document this use of highway=service > To me, the hierarchy is obvious: motorwa

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

> On Jul 12, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > >> Am 11.07.2015 um 14:43 schrieb John Willis : >> >> I look forward to more feedback before drawing up a wiki page, but you can >> see my reasoning and 2 good examples below. This is something not co

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

> On Jul 12, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > agricultural traffic The farmers access their fields using small, yet common kei trucks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kei_truck ) that are used all over Japan in urban and rural envir

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

> In Japan and Korea, do you tend to have isolated farmhouses, each on its own > farm (the most common pattern in the USA), or do the farmers tend to settle > in villages, from which they travel out to their farms (the traditional > European format)? TL;DR: Japan once followed the European

Re: [Tagging] Highway proposed/planned distinction

Ran into this issue today. They are constructing a new trunk road in an area I’m mapping, an as is usual for Japan, they build the road in stages, completing one stage before they go to the next. I know, down to about 20m, the alignment of the sections to be built - so do I mark the whole road

Re: [Tagging] Highway proposed/planned distinction

> On Jul 16, 2015, at 8:57 PM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > > Agreed. My understanding from johnw's mail was that the other sections > were not even cordoned-off yet. In my experience (Ireland/France), > this is the usual way that road builders do things. Yea, the land in the planned sections has

Re: [Tagging] Local highways classifications

Japan has a bad habit of tagging tunnels in remote mountain passes (on trunk roads) as motorways because they are toll roads and have no pedestrian traffic - but they are just a toll trunk road in a tunnel. it is not a motorway. They have an even more horrible practice of aligning the unclassif

[Tagging] Storm water control works?

there are a lot of “works” that are related to control stormwater runoff / flooding control stations (more than just a valve on a levee), that close / monitor the water outflow/inflow that is normally open for rice farming/storm runoff, and closes for extreme weather events, but it seems to be m

Re: [Tagging] Storm water control works?

What I was talking about > On Jul 19, 2015, at 10:03 AM, John Willis wrote: > > operated valve at the top of the levee to close it, Most of the ones I find are on a little pier like thing. I guess the smaller ones were for dam water level adjustment on small dams. > large "pier" that stick

Re: [Tagging] Disputed area

> On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > One thing that perhaps might want to be captured in other disputes is > what happens when one country actually occupies and controls the > disputed territory. There, there's a de facto border and a claim. The Senkaku Island dispute would m

Re: [Tagging] landuse=military

If there was a pilots club, it wouldn't be tagged as an airport. The facilities my be designated for military personnel, but a) this is for recreation - not a military funtcion, and b) it is merely leased lodging. It's like is there was a bar near the base (not on base) for marines - it would

[Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

TL;DR: suggesting creation of capacity:motorcycle/scooter/moped=n capacity:senior=n and capacity:priority=n and maybe access=disabled for service roads / gates ~~~ Talking about stuff missing from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:capacity

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

> On Aug 2, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Lauri Kytömaa wrote: > >> access=customers > Either access=destination or access=permissive, depending on local > laws an practices. (or motor_vehicle=*) Access=customers is an established (and documented*) and well used tag (100K uses), and a preset in iD. The

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

> On Aug 3, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Richard Mann > wrote: > > highway=path should be a rough path > highway=footway should be a made-up path with limited room for non-foot > traffic (eg bicycles), or an explicit ban > highway=cycleway should be a made-up path with good room for bicycles (given > ot

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

> On Aug 4, 2015, at 12:41 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > The problem is that distinction of highway=path and highway=footway is > meaningless, I have a ton of sidewalks to map and a ton of dirt trails in the mountains informal cut-throughs in the grass to map. the distinction is very clea

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

> On Aug 5, 2015, at 12:41 AM, Michael Reichert wrote: > > Hi Richard, > > Am 2015-08-04 um 16:59 schrieb Richard: >> On Sun, Aug 02, 2015 at 11:43:21PM +0200, Michael Reichert wrote: >>> I fully oppose highway=footpath. This is not backward-compatible and >>> will therefore break almost all a

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

> On Aug 2, 2015, at 4:25 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > sent from a phone > >> Am 01.08.2015 um 14:29 schrieb John Willis > >: >> >> I want to say that only disabled vehicles can gain access through a barrier >> or use a parking isle. > > > access=no > disabled

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

> On Aug 5, 2015, at 12:41 AM, Michael Reichert wrote: > > Every data user has to add highway=footpath to his style sheets, > scripts, config files etc. Please read paragraph 8 to 10 of Andy Allan's > posting at Github 1 1/2 years ago. > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

Sorry it was a screw up. A "pocket dial” kind of thing. Javbw > On Aug 4, 2015, at 3:57 AM, John Eldredge wrote: > > What is the point of quoting someone else without adding any additional > comment? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

> On Aug 2, 2015, at 4:25 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > sent from a phone > >> Am 01.08.2015 um 14:29 schrieb John Willis : >> >> I want to say that only disabled vehicles can gain access through a barrier >> or use a parking isle. > > > access=no > disabled=yes looked up the disa

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

> On Aug 5, 2015, at 8:04 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > actually highway=footway is meant to be the same as highway=path and > foot=designated > Then what is the point of having path and all these other tags that overlap? It reinforces my belief that that path’s definition is way,

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

> On Aug 6, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > and you can also make combinations without having to decide for footway, > cycleway or bridleway. Also, without any further access tags, path is neutral > and open to all unmotorized means of transport (unlike footway, cycleway et

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:50 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: > > Much more elquently than me, Richard Fairhurst has explained the problem > previously in opinion pieces such as > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Duck_tagging > I would like that post

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

> On Aug 7, 2015, at 5:31 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > For Belgium we follow this convention: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Eimai/Belgian_Roads#Paths > > It's full of highway=path examples. You'll give us a lot of wor

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

> On Aug 7, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > what is this legal name/ shield designation about, the relative importance of > the highway as a connection in the road network? Or something else like who > maintains the road (typically more politics and history than traffic log

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

So back to capacity:*=n discussion. -The vehicle parking lots I usually tag have the following kinds of parking spaces, marked with signs and broken up into groups (visible on service area signs): (Some values taken from the access=* key wiki page. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:acce

[Tagging] Mapping overlapping Pedestrian areas?

Places where Pedestrian areas overlap are very difficult for me to map and also render very badly. I was wondering if someone has some suggestions on how to map this area https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/35.77740/140.31301

[Tagging] Help undoing an admin level 3 edit to Japan

A few months ago, someone enabled admin level 3 on regional boundaries in Japan. This is an error, but I don’t know how to deal with it. Admin level 3 boundaries are reserved for future for “states” of Japan. The regions currently have historical names, but just like “So-cal” or “New England

Re: [Tagging] Shop= values and a sub key for detail?

> On Aug 14, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > shop=scale_model > vending:scale_model:kits=yes > vending:scale_model:parts=yes (as in selling parts/materials to make a scale > model) accessories, tools, consumables, supplies… supplies might be a good word that can be u

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

> On Aug 20, 2015, at 7:36 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > >> Am 18.08.2015 um 22:54 schrieb John Willis : >> >> What if its grass along a (maintained) river embankment, but roped off so no >> one can walk on it, as it is not a park? > > > meadow? what's the

Re: [Tagging] Amenities for kids parties

There has been a lot of talk about a "event venues" tag- a rentable loacation for events of any kind - like a banquet hall in a hotel, or professional "hall" used for corporate parties, weddings, or other events. There are businesses that offer kids parties - usually commercial facilities that

Re: [Tagging] landuse=religious & Monastic schools

> On Aug 23, 2015, at 3:09 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> >> This was my error - but it would sit on a single tourism=theme park outline. > > > yes, it is a single theme park, but likely not a single landuse I think this is the argument against landuse=grass. The rides certainly hav

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

> On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:14 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So ALL shops should all be together under shops= (even though all shops are > in fact amenities too). Same for offices. > This reduces the amenity= values to those that are not offices nor shops. I think the easiest way to

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

> On Aug 30, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > indeed the buildings are just buildings (eventually with own names, start > dates and other attributes) , it's not them to put the name for the "whole" > complex on. But IMHO it's neither a landuse object, it's an object with a

Re: [Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

> On Aug 31, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think it better to bite the bullet and start sub tagging correctly ... thus > for a retail mixed with apartments I would still like to separate mixed use buildings there there are multiple disparate tenants per building

Re: [Tagging] Construction

> On Aug 31, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > > The Gardiner is reduced to 2 lanes (was 3), the speed limit is lowered and it > is causing huge traffic jams. if it is still a motorway, it is a motorway. reduce the lanes and the maxspeed, adjust the alignment of the motorway to be

Re: [Tagging] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=soil to surface=dirt

> On Aug 31, 2015, at 7:11 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > >> Totally agree, I support this edit. > > +1, also the definition of 'dirt' should be improved in the wiki (currently > referring back to 'ground'), and 'soil' should be written into the wiki as > deprecated > and not to be used. > > tom +

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

> On Sep 1, 2015, at 6:59 PM, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: > > On Tue Sep 1 10:49:56 2015 GMT+0100, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> >> I unsure about highway=bridleway+bicycle=designated but given that it >> appears 2 129 times worldwide it is likely that is also may be >> considered as mistake. >>

Re: [Tagging] Heliport tagging

> On Sep 3, 2015, at 8:39 PM, Daniel Koć wrote: > > I was trying to use helicopter icon for rendering helipads on default style, > but it looks like it was not needed here and instead it could be good to be > used for heliports. However they are currently unrecognizable from plane > airport

Re: [Tagging] Classification problems (was: Re: Road classification)

> On Sep 3, 2015, at 10:11 PM, Daniel Koć wrote: > > > I think that's what should be expected, so I'm not surprised at all. It's > probably easier to make a hand-picked map in a fixed scale of one country by > one expert, than the rules for the automatically generated map of the whole > wo

Re: [Tagging] Drafting proposal: use oneway=reversible or create tag?

> On Sep 8, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Flow direction is the best of these (so far). It is descriptive of what is to > be tagged. What do they use for pipelines? I imagine there is some tag based on the way direction that can indicate flow. Javbw_

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