On 28.09.2010 02:48, John Smith wrote:
On 28 September 2010 10:38, Dave F. wrote:
If historic data was kept within OSM it would become far to cluttered.
Not if this data was filtered by default, and only shown if requested.
The present method of showing everything is limiting for a number of
2010/9/28 Elizabeth Dodd :
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:51:27 +1000
> John Smith wrote:
>
>> > So, "regular" roundabouts (i.e., those that are common, with
>> > priority to the left) are tagged junction=roundabout, and
>> > non-standard right-hand-priority ones are circular ways without the
>> > round
I have a couple of questions as to if I should be marking certain ways
as highway=residential or something else, and am looking for feedback.
The definition given for residential roads is "Roads accessing or
around residential areas but which are not a classified or
unclassified highway."
First,
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 02:50:35AM +0100, Dave F. wrote:
> [traffic circles]
> Do these genuinely still exist? I thought the French were the only ones
> to have these & got rid of them when their roundabouts became
> gridlocked & the rest of Europe took the piss out of them. :-)
here in Italy
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 06:01:40PM +1000, Stephen Hope wrote:
> First, I've recently done a couple of roads in the country. They're
> either dead end roads or form some sort of web but are not connecting
> roads in the sense that they go anywhere else in particular. One
> example is about three or
2010/9/28 Sean Horgan :
> Ok. I'm seeing the trend here: succinctness.
yes, maybe it's my personal preference, but I'd always go for the
shorter version, if the content is the same..
>> > Or is your point that
>> > "assisted living" is a confusing term?
>> no, not at all. You are describing t
2010/9/28 Sean Horgan :
> office=wedding_planner sounds fine to me.
+1
> I'm actually going to need one of
> those pretty soon ;-)
congrats!
cheers,
Martin
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The discussion here (and in talk-nl) seems to boil down to the question
whether these traffic circles are a subtype of roundabout, or a junction
type in their own right.
I fully support all those who suggest they are a separate junction type.
My proposal was based on the premise that "most people"
2010/9/28 Pierre-Alain Dorange :
> Sean Horgan wrote:
>
>> agreed. there should be no restriction on who owns/provides the service.
>
> Yes but then we must provide operator=*
yes, we should encourage the use of operator, which might not be the
same as proprietor though. It could be that the op
2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo :
> intersections [1]. It is just a road that happens to be circular in
> shape, with semaphores or stops along it.
who get's the right of way, when the traffic lights turn off (say due
to a technical problem)? The traffic in the circle or the one coming
from the right?
T
2010/9/28 Dave F. :
> For those who want to keep historic records (& I think there should be),
> they should take a record of current data at regular intervals & keep it in
> a separate database.
that's not a good option: those datasets will diverge more and more,
and in the end all connection/to
2010/9/28 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer :
> 2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo :
>> intersections [1]. It is just a road that happens to be circular in
>> shape, with semaphores or stops along it.
>
> who get's the right of way, when the traffic lights turn off (say due
> to a technical problem)? The traffic in the ci
2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo :
> 2010/9/28 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer :
>> 2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo :
>>> intersections [1]. It is just a road that happens to be circular in
>>> shape, with semaphores or stops along it.
>>
>> who get's the right of way, when the traffic lights turn off (say due
>> to a techni
office=wedding_planner sounds fine to me.
I agree with this. However, I have also seen a number of local shops
which sell only wedding supplies (dresses, etc) but offer no wedding
services. They could probably be reclassified as shop=clothes however.
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2010/9/28 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer :
> 2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo :
>> 2010/9/28 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer :
>>> 2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo :
intersections [1]. It is just a road that happens to be circular in
shape, with semaphores or stops along it.
>>>
>>> who get's the right of way, when the traffic
What I'm usually doing for such traffic circles is drawing a circle tagged
"highway=*" + "oneway=yes" + a "note=this is not a roundabout".
Pieren
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> What I'm usually doing for such traffic circles is drawing a circle tagged
> "highway=*" + "oneway=yes" + a "note=this is not a roundabout".
If you leave it at that, a navigation program might not recognise it as a
{roundabout|traffic_circle} so instead of saying "at the next roundabout
take the
On Martes 28 Septiembre 2010 10:28:56 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer escribió:
[...]
> an abandoned railway is current data. It is an abandoned railway
> currently (as long as you don't excavate all foundations and draining
> layers and remove them together with bridges and tunnels, you will
> still have most
On 9/28/10 4:31 AM, Florian Lohoff wrote:
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 06:01:40PM +1000, Stephen Hope wrote:
First, I've recently done a couple of roads in the country. They're
either dead end roads or form some sort of web but are not connecting
roads in the sense that they go anywhere else in part
2010/9/28 Mike N. :
>> office=wedding_planner sounds fine to me.
>
> I agree with this. However, I have also seen a number of local shops
> which sell only wedding supplies (dresses, etc) but offer no wedding
> services. They could probably be reclassified as shop=clothes however.
yes, proba
On Martes 28 Septiembre 2010 09:06:44 Elena ``of Valhalla'' escribió:
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 02:50:35AM +0100, Dave F. wrote:
> > [traffic circles]
> > Do these genuinely still exist? I thought the French were the only ones
> > to have these & got rid of them when their roundabouts became
> > g
On 9/28/10 8:32 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2010/9/28 Mike N.:
office=wedding_planner sounds fine to me.
I agree with this. However, I have also seen a number of local shops
which sell only wedding supplies (dresses, etc) but offer no wedding
services. They could probably be reclassif
On Martes 28 Septiembre 2010 13:32:40 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer escribió:
> 2010/9/28 Mike N. :
> >> office=wedding_planner sounds fine to me.
> >
> > I agree with this. However, I have also seen a number of local shops
> > which sell only wedding supplies (dresses, etc) but offer no wedding
> > serv
2010/9/28 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer :
> yes, probably a specific tag would be suitable: shop=wedding_dresses
> or shop=wedding_clothes.
> Because nobody who looks for casual clothing would want to find a
> specialized wedding shop, and usually who looks for a wedding shop
> would want to exclude "normal"
2010/9/28 Richard Welty :
> but do get the speed limits and set maxspeed, as otherwise any
> routing software will likely make wrong assumptions. if there is no
> posted speed limit, find the one for the state in which you are
> mapping as again, routing software will otherwise be forced to
> make
2010/9/28 André Riedel :
> According to this I found an already exsiting tag in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:clothes
>
> with clothes=wedding
the page is from August 17th, I don't remember any notice here on
tagging or on talk (or talk:de) and I see the general problem, th
2010/9/28 Colin Smale :
> If you leave it at that, a navigation program might not recognise it as a
> {roundabout|traffic_circle} so instead of saying "at the next roundabout
> take the second exit" it would produce confusing instructions.
Another non-problem.
> As you
> enter the "roundabout" you
2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo :
> a satnav tells
> me "third exit of the roundabout"
It's unrelated, but Navit (the supposedly best available navigator
that uses OSM maps) fails utterly at counting the exits of a
roundabout. It will include also oneway ways entering the roundabout,
so my actual second
On 9/28/10 9:08 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2010/9/28 Richard Welty:
but do get the speed limits and set maxspeed, as otherwise any
routing software will likely make wrong assumptions. if there is no
posted speed limit, find the one for the state in which you are
mapping as again, routing so
M?rtin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> what about changing this to "The operator tag is used to name a
> company, corporation, person or any other entity who is in charge of
> the operation of a certain map object" and putting it on top of the
> page. We could then put the stuff quoted above below "example
sounds good, no objections.
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 01:59, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> 2010/9/28 Pierre-Alain Dorange :
> > Sean Horgan wrote:
> >
> >> agreed. there should be no restriction on who owns/provides the
> service.
> >
> > Yes but then we must provide operator=*
>
>
> yes, we shoul
2010/9/28 Sean Horgan :
> sounds good, no objections.
OK, as this is IMHO no real change, I put it in the wiki.
Now I realized something else:
according to the German ML for tagging certain objects 3 tags are useful:
name, operator, brand
e.g. a petrol station:
name would be the _name_ of the s
I know the voting has started and changes to the proposal are off-limits,
but I was considering the addition of "animals" to the social_facility:for
subtag:
{{tag|social_facility:for|animals}} - Takes care of homeless, lost, or
abandoned animals. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_shelterwi
On 28/09/2010 10:28, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2010/9/28 Dave F.:
For those who want to keep historic records (& I think there should be),
they should take a record of current data at regular intervals& keep it in
a separate database.
that's not a good option: those datasets will diverge m
Hotels are similar to petrol stations in that many are independently owned
and operated but rely heavily on the brand for marketing. Coffee shops,
fastfood restaurants and any other franchise-business fall into the same
bucket (starbucks, mcdonalds, home depot, Teleflora). name, operator, and
b
2010/9/28 Sean Horgan :
> I know the voting has started and changes to the proposal are off-limits,
> but I was considering the addition of "animals" to the social_facility:for
> subtag:
> {{tag|social_facility:for|animals}}
for me it's fine, but there is also a dedicated animal tag. It would
sui
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 03:41:49PM +0200, Simone Saviolo wrote:
> 2010/9/28 Simone Saviolo :
> > a satnav tells
> > me "third exit of the roundabout"
>
> It's unrelated, but Navit (the supposedly best available navigator
> that uses OSM maps) fails utterly at counting the exits of a
> roundabout.
On Martes 28 Septiembre 2010 18:56:10 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer escribió:
> 2010/9/28 Sean Horgan :
> > sounds good, no objections.
>
> OK, as this is IMHO no real change, I put it in the wiki.
>
> Now I realized something else:
> according to the German ML for tagging certain objects 3 tags are useful
2010/9/28 Noel David Torres Taño :
> How to tag those? operator is the bank or the network?
I'd say operator is the bank.
cheers,
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At 2010-09-28 11:43, Sean Horgan wrote:
Hotels are similar to petrol
stations in that many are independently owned and operated but rely
heavily on the brand for marketing. Â Coffee shops, Â fastfood
restaurants and any other franchise-business fall into the same bucket Â
(starbucks, mcdonalds, ho
What we generally have around here is a shop that both sells and rents
formal wear - sometimes one sex, often both. They do weddings, school
formals, black tie dinners etc. I'd call this a formal wear shop.
One that sells nothing but wedding dresses is a subset of this (and
very rare around here,
Let's racionalize this all.
Bussiness that sell bride dresses only
[Comments here]
Bussiness that sell ceremonial dresses (bride and bridmaiden, groom, black
tie, New Year, cocktail dresses... men and women, even childs)
[Comments here]
Bussiness that sell decorative wedding stuff (decorations,
On Miércoles 29 Septiembre 2010 03:05:50 Noel David Torres Taño escribió:
> Let's racionalize this all.
>
> Bussiness that sell bride dresses only
They sell, so it's shop.
I think shop=bride_dresses
> Bussiness that sell ceremonial dresses (bride and bridmaiden, groom, black
> tie, New Year, cock
Noel David Torres Taño wrote:
> Bussiness that sell bride dresses only
shop=clothes
clothes=wedding_dresses
> Bussiness that sell ceremonial dresses (bride and bridmaiden, groom, black
> tie,
>New Year, cocktail dresses... men and women, even childs)
shop=clothes
clothes=ceremonial
> Buss
It looks like you have come up with good solutions to all of the issues raised.
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Date :Tue Sep 28 22:00:09 America/Chicago 2010
Noel David Torres Taño wrote:
> Bussiness that sell bri
On Miércoles 29 Septiembre 2010 04:00:09 Simon Biber escribió:
> Noel David Torres Taño wrote:
> > Bussiness that sell bride dresses only
>
> shop=clothes
> clothes=wedding_dresses
>
> > Bussiness that sell ceremonial dresses (bride and bridmaiden, groom,
> > black tie,
> >
> >New Year, cocktail
Hi all,
I'm creating a list of all of the existing map features, and looking
for a nice example (node/way/area/relation) of every feature.
I could pick one myself, but i figured i'd ask for help.
I have a googledocs spreadsheet just about ready for it to be remotly added.
A good exable of each,
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