Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

2013/6/8 fly > Am 08.06.2013 17:26, schrieb Peter Wendorff: > > roughly translated: A Boulangerie is only suitable for shops where flour > > is mixed, dough is worked and bread is baked. > > We should use craft=baker for these. > > +1, I also see this as a valid option, like Andreas Labres wrote

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

Am 08.06.2013 17:26, schrieb Peter Wendorff: > Hi. > I'm not sure where best to add this in the huge discussion tree now, but > I stumbled upon this article out of the German magazine "Spiegel" a few > minutes ago: > > http://www.spiegel.de/reise/europa/franzosen-wollen-begriff-restaurant-schuetze

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

Am 08.06.2013 17:32, schrieb Murry McEntire: > > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:42 PM, John F. Eldredge > wrote: > > This sounds like a reasonable compromise. Incidentally, I am an > American and would not classify pastries and confections as the same > thing, a

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:42 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > This sounds like a reasonable compromise. Incidentally, I am an American > and would not classify pastries and confections as the same thing, although > one shop will sometimes sell both. I would tend to think of a "bread shop" > as a shop

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

Hi. I'm not sure where best to add this in the huge discussion tree now, but I stumbled upon this article out of the German magazine "Spiegel" a few minutes ago: http://www.spiegel.de/reise/europa/franzosen-wollen-begriff-restaurant-schuetzen-a-904427.html While it deals most with what's a "resta

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

A look at the English language business directory for Cairo Egypt shows two categories related to the discussion: "Bakery & Pastry Shops" and "Candy and Confectionery". They do not do sub categories, but allow the businesses to select keywords. Listings are few, so should not be considered a good s

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

Wolfgang Zenker writes: > > * Murry McEntire [130607 20:15]: > > [..] > > A summary as I understand it: > > We currently have English labels and definitions used for > > tags for bakery > > and confectionery that have language translation mismatches, especially > > based on common usage of the

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

This sounds like a reasonable compromise. Incidentally, I am an American and would not classify pastries and confections as the same thing, although one shop will sometimes sell both. I would tend to think of a "bread shop" as a shop that sells bread, and perhaps other baked goods, but does no

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* Murry McEntire [130607 20:15]: > [..] > A summary as I understand it: > We currently have English labels and definitions used for tags for bakery > and confectionery that have language translation mismatches, especially > based on common usage of the words. > English cultures are comfortable u

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

Note: I'm using on-line translation dictionaries. Please correct or clarify any non-English word misuse. I have tried to learn other languages, but find I am not adept at language skills. I know dictionaries can be misleading or wrong from experience. Years ago I ate in a Munich restaurant where t

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

2013/6/7 Andrew Errington > While I am on this flight of fancy, how about "Update POI by email"? some time ago there was a proposal to "update POI by twitter" IIRR, maybe that service is still active? cheers, Martin -- Martin Koppenhoefer (Dipl-Ing. Arch.) Via del Santuario Regina degli Ap

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On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 17:42:32 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2013/6/7 Andrew Errington > > > Why not record the URL of the store in website=*? That way people can > > visit the store's website and see for themselves what they sell. > > of course you do this IF they have a website (traditional smalle

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2013/6/7 Andrew Errington > Why not record the URL of the store in website=*? That way people can > visit the store's website and see for themselves what they sell. > of course you do this IF they have a website (traditional smaller ones usually won't have a website I guess, not even in 2013),

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Why not record the URL of the store in website=*? That way people can visit the store's website and see for themselves what they sell. The benefit of this is that if the shop alters their range of goods you don't need to alter the tags. The store will update their website. So, all you need is a

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

>>Michael Krämer writes: >> <..snip..> >> Basically I think we're on the same page: To my understanding we agree >> that there's a need to differentiate between the different kinds of >> baked goods. So the problem is how to classify and name these. >> But as pretty often I guess that's where tr

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

Given the split in opinions, I started thinking harder on an American usages page and wondered what other countries might use it. Now I'm wondering who wrote the features pages descriptions and got them wrong. I speculate that it was not an English-speaking country native. Using the Toronto Canada

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Hi Murry, thanks, but there's no need to apologize. I am aware that I've made some provocative statements myself. So I probably have to apologize, too. Basically I think we're on the same page: To my understanding we agree that there's a need to differentiate between the different kinds of baked

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:01 AM, Michael Krämer wrote: > Hi Murry, > > being yet another German I'm afraid I still don't buy into the proposal. I > guess this has a lot to do with both cultural and language differences. > > Also some background to start with. For many people in at least > continen

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Hi Murry, being yet another German I'm afraid I still don't buy into the proposal. I guess this has a lot to do with both cultural and language differences. Also some background to start with. For many people in at least continental Europe bread is a basic food and a key component of the daily di

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

I've been doing some research, perhaps towards producing a formal proposal page, of how bakery and confectionery should be handled for the United States (and perhaps some of the other English speaking countries - I hope those from Britain, Canada, Australia, etc. would identify their country and c

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

On 03.06.2013 20:04, Johan Jönsson wrote: > Peter Wendorff writes: >> Hi. >> >> I'm curious wether the existence/usage of an oven is the best criterium >> for this issue. >> At least in Germany a lot of bakeries have an oven, but use it only to >> bake prepared raw rolls/buns/..., selling them fre

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

Peter Wendorff writes: > Hi. > > I'm curious wether the existence/usage of an oven is the best criterium > for this issue. > At least in Germany a lot of bakeries have an oven, but use it only to > bake prepared raw rolls/buns/..., selling them fresh, sometimes still > warm (if you're there at th

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

Hi. I'm curious wether the existence/usage of an oven is the best criterium for this issue. At least in Germany a lot of bakeries have an oven, but use it only to bake prepared raw rolls/buns/..., selling them fresh, sometimes still warm (if you're there at the right time at least) while the other

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

2013/6/3 Jo > Better be explicit and use > > +1 > oven=yes for all 'warme bakkers' where the bread is baked on the spot. > oven=no if the bread is transported in from somewhere else. > > currently the oven tag is used also to convey further detail (oven=wood_fired) this could be extended to

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Better be explicit and use oven=yes for all 'warme bakkers' where the bread is baked on the spot. and oven=no if the bread is transported in from somewhere else. And here in Belgium we also distinguish bakery/pastry. Usually bakers do both. Confectionery is something totally different. We also

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

On 03/giu/2013, at 08:55, Vincent Pottier wrote: > So we can had the tag baking=no for those shop without oven. there is a tag "oven" in use with values like wood_fired to indicate the type of oven, e.g. for a pizzeria, you could use oven=no for the pain depots. cheers, Martin ___

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On 03/giu/2013, at 04:18, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > So would this new tag be for these places as well, or should we > designate them shop=cupcake or shop=cinnamon_buns, etc? > > I'm certainly in favor or supporting tags that make local sense, but > where we can generalize a solution, I think

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

Le 03/06/2013 04:59, Brad Neuhauser a écrit : To me, wikipedia captures well the English usage of "bakery": A *bakery* (or *baker's shop*) is an establishment which produces and sells flour -based food baked

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

To me, wikipedia captures well the English usage of "bakery": A *bakery* (or *baker's shop*) is an establishment which produces and sells flour -based food baked in an oven

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

On 02.06.13 19:11, Murry McEntire wrote: > I do see bakery (baked goods) and confectionery (candy, chocolates) You have to differentiate baked goods between bread and viennoiseries (=Bäckerei) vs cakes/desserts (=Feinbäckerei, =pâtisserie). Both are (different) craftsmanships. And you have to diff

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> any of the former. If I go to a telephone business book (yellow pages) or a >> book section in a book store, I expect bakery and baking books to cover >> breads, cakes, pastries, etc. To further complicate matters, in the US, many sto

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

| On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: | | I do agree that there are probably big cultural differences in this area and that in some parts of the world | | these would all be considered bakeries, but around here and also in Germany like in Austria pa

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

Le 02/06/2013 19:47, Johan Jönsson a écrit : So let us expand the meaning of shop=bakery and put the pastry-part of confectionaries as an (could also have..) with e.g. bread=no for French patisseries ? -- FrViPofm ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@open

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Murry McEntire writes: > > > I do see bakery (baked goods) and confectionery (candy, chocolates) and the shops that sell them as very different so would never use the later for any of the former. >Here (Western US), i usually do not first think of a bakery shop for bread, but instead as on

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

2013/6/2 Murry McEntire > I do see bakery (baked goods) and confectionery (candy, chocolates) and > the shops that sell them as very different so would never use the later for > any of the former. If I go to a telephone business book (yellow pages) or a > book section in a book store, I expect ba

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

I do see bakery (baked goods) and confectionery (candy, chocolates) and the shops that sell them as very different so would never use the later for any of the former. If I go to a telephone business book (yellow pages) or a book section in a book store, I expect bakery and baking books to cover bre

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

Andreas Labres writes: > Here (in Vienna ;) the distinciton is "Bäckerei" (= bakery, who also sell sweets > like those "Viennoiseries") vs "Konditorei" (= pâtisserie) (those are different > crafts). Don't know what the correct English translation is for the latter, it > seems to be confectioner

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

PMJI, Here (in Vienna ;) the distinciton is "Bäckerei" (= bakery, who also sell sweets like those "Viennoiseries") vs "Konditorei" (= pâtisserie) (those are different crafts). Don't know what the correct English translation is for the latter, it seems to be confectionery. N.B. most of the "Kondit

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Le 02/06/2013 14:31, Brad Neuhauser a écrit : Umm, what's wrong with shop=bakery? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop "Selling bread" In France you can usualy find pastries in a bakery, at least "viennoiseries" [1], but you never find bread in a pastry. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/