Am 08.06.2013 17:32, schrieb Murry McEntire: > > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:42 PM, John F. Eldredge <j...@jfeldredge.com > <mailto:j...@jfeldredge.com>> wrote: > > This sounds like a reasonable compromise. Incidentally, I am an > American and would not classify pastries and confections as the same > thing, although one shop will sometimes sell both. I would tend to > think of a "bread shop" as a shop that sells bread, and perhaps > other baked goods, but does not do its own baking. Typically, these > shops sell goods originating from a single industrial-scale bakery, > and which have been returned by grocery stores after they did not > sell, but which are still in good condition. > > > > Some tweaks to my proposal. > > Changing shop=bread to shop=bread_bakery should help with those who > first think of an outlet store when seeing shop=bread and those that are > reluctant to disassociate shops that sell bread from the term bakery. > I'm also thinking the wiki pages for shop=bakery and shop=bread_bakery > should have an explanation of the importance and special status that > shops that sell the bread used as a staple have in continental Europe > and some other regions of the world including some of the non-English > terms used for them, e.g. backerei, boulangerie for a bread bakery. > > Addition of the sub tag bakery_outlet=yes which would be defined as a > shop which may sell fresh products but specializes in the sale of bakery > products nearing their freshness expiration. Sometimes called a > "day-old" bakery shop. > It is not uncommon in America for people wanting to save money to search > for such stores since prices can be half that of grocery stores or other > retail bakeries. I suspect such stores exist in other countries that > have large commercial bakeries. The tag could be used with either bakery > or bread_bakery, some I've been in do 90% of their business in bread (so > shop=bread_bakery) and others do 50% bread and 50% donuts, cakes, > cookies and pastries (so shop=bakery).
Why not use outlet= or product_outlet=only/yes/no, similar to organic= We have lots of outlet shops not only bakeries and it gets more and more common to sell products the next day instead of throwing them in the trash. > I've not heard any one call change a bad idea or strenuously object to > my latter proposal. I believe the next step for such changes to make it > to the official wiki pages is to make a proposal page and go through a > vote; (someone let me know if this is wrong). I'll start working on such > a page and mock-ups of the changes to the current features page, the > replacement shop=bakery and shop=confectionery pages, and the new > shop=bread_bakery, bakery sub tags, and confectionery sub tags pages. > Any pages I've overlooked? Should be fun! (I have not really done any > wiki editing or work before.) > > It seems it may be useful to have bakery sub tags for regulatory reasons > or entrenched custom for the European region where a shop can only have > a specific name if a certified professional is employed or the goods > must be created on premises. I would need help with those and would > expect them to be explained and justified in this email thread or the > discussion page of the proposal when it is up. bakery:pastry=cake A tag to differ between all at once baked products and bake-off ones would be nice. Not sure about if a more general tag is better as there is other food which might be bake-off or reheated. Cheers fly P.S.: The more I think about it the more difficult it gets: I know several shop=convenience which sell bread and other goods from local bakeries. How to tag this ? _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
