Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

> On May 19, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > Am 18.05.2015 um 19:26 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt >: > >> Note 1: >> I'd rather duck tag this as an "amenity=pet_reli

Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Am 18.05.2015 um 19:26 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt : > > *Note 1:* > I'd rather duck tag this as an "*amenity=pet_relief_area / > dog_facilities=yes / cat_facilities=no*", but I have long since come to > the conclu

Re: [Tagging] Tagging FOR the renderer

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 4:36 AM, André Pirard wrote: > Strange for the French because the whole map of openstreetmap.fr is > osm.org itself. > take a look at http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=15&lat=49.47299&lon=2.87899&layers=B000FFF , that's the one I was thinking of. I didn't know

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > I invite each user to join our Meetup Group and invite them to contact me > if they have any questions. The response rate is low. A survey could help > us identify why they joined, how they want to use OSM and what special > interests they

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: >> >> This talk by Richard Fairhurst suggests that 5% of mappers do 95% of work. >> So it's more important to find those few dedicated mappers and make their >> life easier, than to cat

Re: [Tagging] Tagging FOR the renderer

On 2015-05-16 20:31, Marc Gemis wrote : > > On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 5:01 AM, André Pirard > mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > On 2015-05-16 01:40, Frederik Ramm wrote : >> Thing is, there is no "THE" map. There's tons of maps in various colour >> schemes and designs, as well

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

> On May 19, 2015, at 2:24 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > You might ask, so what is keeping people from editing? We don’t need to speculate. It’s easy to understand what is holding people back. It’s the same thing that hold people back from replacing the brakes on their car - there is a lot of

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > Let's use human power, not spam power. > > How about if first edits caused some sort of flag that experienced users > see, and can welcome and thank the new user > for registering and contributing. This is possible now, but not really > par

Re: [Tagging] Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Daniel Koć wrote: >> amenity=pub -> pub=yes >> shop=travel_agent -> travel_agent=yes >> office=travel_agent -> travel_agent=yes > > > So you want to replace shop=bakery by bakery=yes, shop=butcher with > butcher

Re: [Tagging] amenity vs. shop *=ice_cream

On 18 May 2015 at 06:58, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > > Am 18.05.2015 um 02:04 schrieb pmailkeey . : > > > This is better, imo: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ice-cream_van_(4022093988).jpg - > no hot food from this one so deffo not shop not fast food. > > > > typically those wou

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > In the last week,11-May to 17-May, OSM increased the number of users [1] > by 10,700. Think of the results if each of those new users were to add just > one edit a week. You might ask, so what is keeping people from editing? We > could spe

Re: [Tagging] Sector, section, and cemetery

> > >> You could evaluate the tagging already in use in different cemeteries > around the world and see which tags are used for similar objects, then > proposing some system to unify the situation. > Well mapped cemeteries you can find in Poland, Pere Lachaise in Paris, > Staglieno in Genoa, and so

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail

On 18 May 2015 at 19:16, Daniel Koć wrote: > W dniu 18.05.2015 20:02, pmailkeey . napisał(a): > > I disagree with this approach as it's targeted. Can we moderately >> safely assume new users edit with iD ? Can we not use that interface >> to offer a 'feedback' link available to all ? Even if it

Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

> Am 18.05.2015 um 19:26 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt : > > Note 1: > I'd rather duck tag this as an "amenity=pet_relief_area / dog_facilities=yes > / cat_facilities=no", but I have long since come to the conclusion that > tagging for the current rendering is necessary. around here there is leisu

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail

W dniu 18.05.2015 20:02, pmailkeey . napisał(a): I disagree with this approach as it's targeted. Can we moderately safely assume new users edit with iD ? Can we not use that interface to offer a 'feedback' link available to all ? Even if it simply points to a dedicated wiki page for different fe

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

On 18 May 2015 at 18:24, Clifford Snow wrote: > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > >> This talk by Richard Fairhurst suggests that 5% of mappers do 95% of >> work. So it's more important to find those few dedicated mappers and make >> their life easier, than to cater to th

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail

W dniu 18.05.2015 19:24, Clifford Snow napisał(a): On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: This talk by Richard Fairhurst suggests that 5% of mappers do 95% of work. So it's more important to find those few dedicated mappers and So I probably misunderstood the conclusions of "l

Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:32 AM, John Willis wrote: > Since so may people in Japan travel with small dogs, most parking areas and many service areas have "pet areas" (I think they are called), where you can let your dog out of the car and walk them or let them deficate. This is not an enclosed sp

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > This talk by Richard Fairhurst suggests that 5% of mappers do 95% of work. > So it's more important to find those few dedicated mappers and make their > life easier, than to cater to the 95%. I find the proposition that we find ways to eng

Re: [Tagging] Estate agent

> Am 18.05.2015 um 15:13 schrieb Andreas Goss : > > Also just looking at the German term for travel agent for exaple it's > Reisebüro so it has office in the name. what a coincidence ;-) In English there isn't any "office" in travel agency though. What I remember from discussions about

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

This talk by Richard Fairhurst suggests that 5% of mappers do 95% of work. So it's more important to find those few dedicated mappers and make their life easier, than to cater to the 95%. http://vimeopro.com/openstreetmapus/state-of-the-map-us-2013/video/68097488 Janko ned, 17. svi 2015. 07:43 M

[Tagging] More flexible categories (was: Re: Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging)

W dniu 18.05.2015 16:29, Marc Gemis napisał(a): So you want to replace shop=bakery by bakery=yes, shop=butcher with butcher=yes, etc. ? This means that you cannot write a query that retrieves all shops in a town. You would need a list of things for which the value is "yes". But you cannot summa

Re: [Tagging] Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Daniel Koć wrote: > amenity=pub -> pub=yes > shop=travel_agent -> travel_agent=yes > office=travel_agent -> travel_agent=yes > So you want to replace shop=bakery by bakery=yes, shop=butcher with butcher=yes, etc. ? This means that you cannot write a query that re

Re: [Tagging] Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging

W dniu 18.05.2015 11:18, David Earl napisał(a): On Mon, 18 May 2015 at 00:40 pmailkeey . wrote: Unfortunately change is inevitable and it happens to Microsoft and Google customers. Yes, of course. But they go to considerable lengths to provide upward compatibility, and when they can't, they

Re: [Tagging] Estate agent

> Am 18.05.2015 um 15:13 schrieb Andreas Goss : > > The question is which key would have been better than office? I'm fine with the key office for an office, I don't like the idea to restrict the usage of this key to offices that sell something (like the current definition suggests). Or m

Re: [Tagging] Estate agent

> Am 18.05.2015 um 15:13 schrieb Andreas Goss : > > Except that several values have moved away from shop like shop=tailer => > craft=tailor. I mean we have have more than 1000 tags with shop=craft > Go on page 9,10,... http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/shop#values and you > will find man

Re: [Tagging] Estate agent

Think about the tags I have mentioned before, which use "shop" for services offered and which don't sell goods. From my point of view, the introduction of the office key hasn't changed anything here, office=hairdresser doesn't make sense for a place where you get your hair cut, offering service

Re: [Tagging] Estate agent

> Am 18.05.2015 um 13:00 schrieb Daniel Koć : > > room=store (or maybe "shop" to be coherent with our nomenclature) > office=estate_agent I suggested the established building:part key because a shop is not always one room, indeed it is rarely one room (storage, toilet for staff, etc) cheer

Re: [Tagging] Estate agent

the problem I see is not in the shop definition but within the office tag. The definition goes like that: "A place predominantly selling services." http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:office But this is only a subset of offices and is contradicted by the values on the same page (eg ngo, assoc

Re: [Tagging] Estate agent

W dniu 18.05.2015 11:32, Martin Koppenhoefer napisał(a): yes, it is a shop, but will not get the shop=* tag in OSM because it is not a shop function, just a shop location / structure. you could maybe use building:part=shop for it We need a generic way of separating function from the form, in c

Re: [Tagging] Estate agent

> Am 18.05.2015 um 12:23 schrieb Andreas Goss : > > The point is more that shop was mainly used for services, because it was the > closest key that existed. I also cleaned up craft= a bit and many of those > could also be found as shop= and while some certainly have a overlap others > reall

Re: [Tagging] Estate agent

how would we do this? What does it change? Btw., "lack of alternatives" really isn't a good argument in a project that allows "any tags you like". still those tagged in the amenity namespace don't miraculously change meaning just because someone has introduced an alternative tag in the meantime

Re: [Tagging] amenity vs. shop *=ice_cream

To clarify, I suggest to change image on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dice_cream to this one: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ice-cream_shop_-_Florida.jpg. Current image looks more like amenity=cafe (you can see sth to drink in the background and place to rest). I don'

Re: [Tagging] Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging

My apologies for that inaccuracy Richard On 18 May 2015 at 10:43, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > AYTOUN RALPH wrote: > > OSM is only now starting to realise that not all the specialist detail > > can be depicted on one map and we are starting to see > > specialist areas creating their own detailed "

Re: [Tagging] Estate agent

2015-05-18 11:41 GMT+02:00 Andreas Goss : > But we also have to consider that this was the description, before office= > existed and how it was used due to lack of alternatives. > > how would we do this? What does it change? Btw., "lack of alternatives" really isn't a good argument in a project t

Re: [Tagging] Estate agent

On Mon, 2015-05-18 at 09:22 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: > There was a row of three shops on my local hgh street: Butcher, baker > and soft furnishings. > > Five years ago, the baker went bust, as was replaced by an estate > agent. > > Two years ago, the estate agent, being very successful, moved t

Re: [Tagging] Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging

AYTOUN RALPH wrote: > OSM is only now starting to realise that not all the specialist detail > can be depicted on one map and we are starting to see > specialist areas creating their own detailed "layer" of OSM such as the > Cycle Map Where "only now starting to realise" and "starting to see" m

Re: [Tagging] Estate agent

A shop is not only selling goods, but according to the wiki also services. E.g. shop=hairdresser, car_repair, beauty (you can't carry out beauty in a bag) etc. But we also have to consider that this was the description, before office= existed and how it was used due to lack of alternatives. I

Re: [Tagging] Estate agent

> Am 18.05.2015 um 11:27 schrieb Andreas Goss : > > I know a private school that had a classroom in a former carpet store. Still > with large windows towards the street. Would that be also be a shop then? yes, it is a shop, but will not get the shop=* tag in OSM because it is not a shop fun

Re: [Tagging] Estate agent

I know a private school that had a classroom in a former carpet store. Still with large windows towards the street. Would that be also be a shop then? Perhaps is it because I speak American rather than British, but to me a shop is a place where the item(s) I buy can be carried out, if not in

Re: [Tagging] Estate agent

2015-05-18 10:22 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett : > Did the middle premises stop being a shop, and then start being a shop > again? Aside from the question whether this particular type of business is an office or a shop, why not? There are a lots of people living in former shops in Berlin, of course th

Re: [Tagging] Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging

On Mon, 18 May 2015 at 00:40 pmailkeey . wrote: > Unfortunately change is inevitable and it happens to Microsoft and Google > customers. > Yes, of course. But they go to considerable lengths to provide upward compatibility, and when they can't, they provide a migration path and controlled change

Re: [Tagging] Estate agent

On 17 May 2015 at 17:23, Tod Fitch wrote: > Perhaps is it because I speak American rather than British, but to me a shop > is a place where the item(s) I buy can be carried out, if not in a shopping > bag then on a truck (lorry). Assuming that “estate agent” translates to “real > estate agent”