Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test

Hi Etienne O This is similar problem Ive always had with SoundofSpace AAC files which use the CLRLsRsLFE order but again I can use the Quad playback to fix the order. Id much prefer the ITU spec of LRCLFELsRs as that seems to be a sort of common standard I understand that AC3 and AAC

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test

Hi Mick, Thanks for the feedback ... very helpful. > This is similar problem Ive always had with SoundofSpace AAC files which > use the > CLRLsRsLFE order but again I can use the Quad playback to fix the order. > Id much > prefer the ITU spec of LRCLFELsRs as that seems to be a sort of common >

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test

> But in a sense it's a valid question at another level. Does HTML5 (in its > various forms, mostly H.264 i.e. AAC) reliably fall back to something > usable when you broadcast multichannel material? If it does not, what's the > use of it? If it does, does it always do so, reliably? If it does but n

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test

Thanks for helps - I could see I was accessing the ogg version in my browsers and when I set my speaker config correctly I can get multichanel audio from the html5 page no problem. Well there is a problem and that is the file order - with a 5.1 config set in OSX im seeing a LCRLsRsLFE playba

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test

discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test Hi Mick, If you are talking about this page: http://soundofspace.com/static/test_html5.html then all feeds are 5.1 if you are hearing stereo it is your browser that has decided to interpret the 5.1 feed as stereo

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On 2011-12-01, Martin Leese wrote: You could try using your own HTML5 page to offer one option at a time. If two of the three don't work then you will know. But in a sense it's a valid question at another level. Does HTML5 (in its various forms, mostly H.264 i.e. AAC) reliably fall back to s

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Hi Mick, If you are talking about this page: http://soundofspace.com/static/test_html5.html then all feeds are 5.1 if you are hearing stereo it is your browser that has decided to interpret the 5.1 feed as stereo. Any settings for that would be browser side. But to find out which of the thr

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mick ritchie wrote: > Etienne - > > I can play back stereo from your player in firefox3 and Safari but > not 5.1 - my > 5.1 box doesnt see dolby digital just stereo. Is there any way of > telling which > feed my browser accesses? You could try using your own HTML5 page to offer one option at a

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Etienne - I can play back stereo from your player in firefox3 and Safari but not 5.1 - my 5.1 box doesnt see dolby digital just stereo. Is there any way of telling which feed my browser accesses? mick On 29 Nov 2011, at 23:51, etienne deleflie wrote: Hi Fabio, Worked fine with Safari a

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Marinos - I havent a clue what a nitrate is but maybe kbs and i seem to remember my options in Apack being limited so i just went for the highest as ac3's are small On 29 Nov 2011, at 21:13, Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote: thx Mick I think I' ll go down the ac3 road - not shire however what

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On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:51 PM, etienne deleflie wrote: > It is Firefox that fails us here. Firefox can play Vorbis files, but not > multichannel ones. People following this subject may be interested in this Mozilla bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=521615 ___

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Hi Fabio, Worked fine with Safari and Mac OSX. > I tried using jack. It immediately showed the 6 channel web process in the > routing window! > Also without jack it directly played back. > > Could you give some background on the HTML5 implementation or on how you > realized this? > its simple. On

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On 2011-11-28, John Leonard wrote: So it does! DTS file in VLC, Metric Halo 2882 (or WHY) and streaming surround direct form the laptop! Excellent - thanks, Richard. You don't argue with empirical facts, then. Most of the time... -- Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy - de...@iki.fi, http://decoy.iki.f

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thx Mick I think I' ll go down the ac3 road - not shire however what nitrate to use.. would sth like 640 for a 4-channel file be ok ?? thx m On 29 Nov 2011, at 21:48, mick ritchie wrote: > Hi marinos > > i missed the bginning of the debate but I went down this road 3 years ago to > stream b

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Hi marinos i missed the bginning of the debate but I went down this road 3 years ago to stream bformat files For your requirements with 4 channels of discrete speaker files I think ac3 is by far the most accessible to anybody who has no 4 channel sound card - a digital link between comput

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thus far: - I tried ac3 and it seems ok to me - VLC can playback with no problems - I haven' t yet managed to encode to AAC - I get an error that libfaac is missing when using ffmpeg and audacity refuses to find the proper library - still looking for some other encoder - I easily encoded to flac

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oh yeah I did encode them and they did seem file - but I could not play back them.. it was pretty easy to encode actually.. I google it a bit and there are a couple of bug reports about ogg+video problems - so there seems to be some problem m On 28 Nov 2011, at 23:01, Eero Aro wrote: > Marin

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Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote: I tried encoding to 4 channel ogg via both sox and audacity and VLC crashes when I try to playback for some reason, Hmm. I have used the encoder in the past and it worked ok and the files played fine. Sorry, but can't remember if I had any troubles in using the en

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I tried encoding to 4 channel ogg via both sox and audacity and VLC crashes when I try to playback for some reason, I' m still experimenting with the rest options On 28 Nov 2011, at 20:29, Eero Aro wrote: > Vortex Zoom Encoder -- Marinos Koutsomichalis Music Research Center, University of Yor

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The Vortex Zoom Encoder encodes four channels of audio into a DTS file. Limited to 44.1/16 bit. Trial 30 days. Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound

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Worked fine with Safari and Mac OSX. I tried using jack. It immediately showed the 6 channel web process in the routing window! Also without jack it directly played back. Could you give some background on the HTML5 implementation or on how you realized this? Regards Fabio Am 27.11.2011 um 0

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> > > AAC is certainly an excellent codec; but can you easily play back a quad > file...? I really don't know. > > I DO know VLC plays DTS straight out of the box. > The only issue with DTS files is that they are large ... and so not so good for online distribution. An advantage you get with DTS

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So it does! DTS file in VLC, Metric Halo 2882 (or WHY) and streaming surround direct form the laptop! Excellent - thanks, Richard. DiscWelder Bronze will do the encoding; nice and cheap, too. Regards, John On 27 Nov 2011, at 23:51, Richard G Elen wrote: > I DO know VLC plays DTS straight ou

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On 27/11/2011 00:31, Sampo Syreeni wrote: I'd say one of the AAC profiles would still be preferrable, because it's eminently better as a codec, at least as well-supported by now especially in the online world, and probably more future-proof, having been adopted by big players like Apple. AAC

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On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Bill de Garis wrote: > Ahh! > That's nice! > It asks if I want to play with VLC and then it sounds very nice even in > stereo (which is all I have on my pc). > ah ok ... so it is worth including Vorbis then. Etienne > I actually get a strong sense out to about

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Oliver Oli wrote: > I don't see the player in webos, because the browser doesn't show any > default controls (but audio and video with custom controls work). my > tablet wouldn't play surround sound, but I was interested if it plays > embedded 5.1 files at all. >

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test

Thats very interesting - thanks. It works remarkably well in Chrome, listening on stereo (iPhone) headphones on my MacbookAir Cheers Garth http://www.activatedspace.com http://www.syncsonics.com On 27/11/2011, at 3:20 AM, etienne deleflie wrote: > I've now replaced the AC3 with a 5.1 Ogg V

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test

Well it's an improvement of sorts... It opens the player, downloads and begins to play the file, then plays to the end. (Streams fine) Just one problem, heh, no sound! Bill On 27/11/11 2:20 a.m., etienne deleflie wrote: I've now replaced the AC3 with a 5.1 Ogg Vorbis file. http://soundofspace

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test

Ahh! That's nice! It asks if I want to play with VLC and then it sounds very nice even in stereo (which is all I have on my pc). I actually get a strong sense out to about 180 deg either side of me whereas my (cheap studio reference) monitors are either side of my screen. (all the physical space

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test

I don't see the player in webos, because the browser doesn't show any default controls (but audio and video with custom controls work). my tablet wouldn't play surround sound, but I was interested if it plays embedded 5.1 files at all. you can offer multiple formats in an audio or video tag. see

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I don't understand the long discussion on this list. quad surround is a standard supported by many audio codecs. mp3 is not an option, even mp3 surround is not discrete 5.1. the most common formats for multi-channel audio are aac, ogg/vorbis and flac. the default aac mapping for 4 channels is not q

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test

--On 27 November 2011 15:08 +1100 etienne deleflie wrote: http://soundofspace.com/static/test_html5.html ... any reports of success or failure would be appreciated. It plays fine in the current version of Opera on Windows 7 x64 (I haven't tried to see which codec it's using, and I haven't t

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test

I've now replaced the AC3 with a 5.1 Ogg Vorbis file. http://soundofspace.com/static/test_html5.html Firefox now reads it. Unfortunately, Firefox apparently cant play 5.1 files ... so it just plays the first two channels. Rather disappointing ... especially given that Chrome seems to be able to p

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Bill, I was expecting that Firefox would not attempt to play the file at all ... strange that it attempts to play the file at all. What happens if you go to this URL in firefox: http://audio.soundofspace.com/ajh/eight-directions.ac3 Etienne On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Bill de Garis wrote

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Latest version of Firefox (8.0) on Win7 64bit. Alls I get it the spinning dots when I press play. Nothing else. No sound. Bill On 26/11/11 8:08 p.m., etienne deleflie wrote: I've been meaning to try out HTML5's capabilities for a while, now seems a good time. http://soundofspace.com/static/tes

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On 2011-11-27, Richard G Elen wrote: If you are wanting to distribute a "quad" G-Format (ie decoded from B Format to speaker feeds) recording, I'd recommend DTS-CD format. What's the licencing policy of DTS, by the way? I seem to remember all of the codecs can be a tricky in that regard if yo

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On 25/11/2011 23:26, Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote: about the 4 channels: they are 4 channels of audio to be played back by a quad set-up.. In fact they are decoded from a b-format recording, but what I want to release is a quad version of the piece. Hi there... Sorry not to contribute to thi

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

On 2011-11-26, Fons Adriaensen wrote: * The order of the 5.1 channels depends on where you are and on the phase of the moon. You should find out what the particular SW you'd use to make the encoded file expects. In most formats, the order is the same as in the USB and WAVE channel masks. You

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On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:20:20AM +0200, Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote: > if I make a 4 channel ac3 file - wouldn' t that be ok for people having 5.1 > setups ?? > > the order of the 5.1 is FL/FR/SL/SR/C/LF (or I am mistaken in this?) so if > somenody tries to playback a 4-channel file it will

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if I make a 4 channel ac3 file - wouldn' t that be ok for people having 5.1 setups ?? the order of the 5.1 is FL/FR/SL/SR/C/LF (or I am mistaken in this?) so if somenody tries to playback a 4-channel file it will be routed to all but the sub and the centre, right ??? m On 26 Nov 2011, at 20:0

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

On 11/25/2011 06:49 PM, Martin Leese wrote: Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote: quite a few ideas thus far.. but still I' m not quite sure about the most important issue: which is the most 'common' file-format for such things ? Four channel works are not common. Therefore, there are no common fil

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 01:46:17AM -, John Lundsten wrote: > Now if Mac OS is a belief system for you, It isn't, I'm not a MAC user (as you could guess from my e-mail address). Have a look at to see that

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On 26/11/2011 05:07, Sampo Syreeni wrote: .. As I said this may be the 'true way', but basically, IMO, it's yet another attempt by Apple to create yet another format 'the other lot can't read'. Fully agreed. Though then you'd have to agree it's a neat format per se. Well-thought out, as clean

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On 26 Nov 2011, at 06:14, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > I'm pretty sure we can tell you what to do with your channels. But first you > have to tell us what that data is about, in all. How was it captured? What do > you really want to do with it? from a previous post of mine: > about the 4 channels:

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On 2011-11-26, John Lundsten wrote: Now for sure I'm not saying .wav is the only format for all time. Of course not. RIFF, CAF, and whatever, follow the same EAV/TLV formula that Commodore Amiga's IFF did: entity-attribute-value/type-length-value. The four byte/32-bit total schema for each

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On 2011-11-25, Richard wrote: I totally agree, any mention of MP3/WMA or any of the very lossy formats in the same breath as surround cannot be taken seriously. That is very much true where it goes to ambisonic and the existing formats. But as for the formats and say 5.1, not so much. That ac

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On 2011-11-25, Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote: but still I' m not quite sure about the most important issue: which is the most 'common' file-format for such things ? In order the two most common ones are (I think): 1) Microsoft's AVI container (RIFF), with video as pure MPEG-2 and audio as 2

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On 2011-11-25, John Lundsten wrote: And yes for sure the RIFF Wav (with Wav extensible) has the cool chan mapping features CAF has, and very much as on a Mac, hardly anyone has bothered to implement it. Don't even go there. Really. E.g. Martin Leese spent real effort getting the OggPCM draft

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On 2011-11-25, Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote: I was asked a 4-channel work for an online-release - I' m now trying to figure out what the best way to "release" it would be.. For me personally, the first question would be "which four channels"? "What are their semantics, precisely?" Like, how

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I suggest to take a look at the Web Audio API from the W3C : https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/audio/raw-file/tip/webaudio/specification.html -- Marc Le Sat, 26 Nov 2011 01:26:33 +0200 Marinos Koutsomichalis a écrit: > > about the 4 channels: they are 4 channels of audio to be played back > by a quad se

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27;s yet another attempt by Apple to create yet another format 'the other lot can't read'. JL - Original Message - From: Fons Adriaensen To: sursound@music.vt.edu Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

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about the 4 channels: they are 4 channels of audio to be played back by a quad set-up.. In fact they are decoded from a b-format recording, but what I want to release is a quad version of the piece. as I mentioned I cannot consider wav/aiff and other lossless options because of their size.

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On 25 Nov 2011, at 23:15, Bearcat M. Şandor wrote: > If i'm messing around (i'm not a serious audio > professional) in Ardour isn't it a wave file first, afaic no. normally you select the kind of file you want your audio saved to. I use aiffs most of the times. And you can convert to lots of ot

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On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 03:51:03AM -, John Lundsten wrote: > Well as approx 98% of computers are PC's, whatever the merits > of CAF (beyond ticking the 'box' this is different to what is > available on a PC) it would be totally unsuitable to the OP. > > And yes for sure the RIFF Wav (with Wa

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On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 06:05:44PM + Dave Hunt wrote: Hi, Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 03:51:03 - From: "John Lundsten" IMO if one wants to store so called linear PCM, use WAV. All other formats offer less & only exist for (a) backward compatibility for which I have no problem or (b) to s

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If you are looking to release it in a format that a relatively large number of people can play, you might want to consider mastering it in a combo DVD Video/Audio format, in the form of an ISO file. Cirlinca has some relatively inexpensive software for doing the job. Dave Kaleita -Original Me

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Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote: > but still I' m not quite sure about the most important issue: > which is the most 'common' file-format for such things ? In terms of installed base of players, AC3 and DTS are the most common formats for delivery of surround audio. VLC player can decode either one

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release/side topic

Hi, Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 03:51:03 - From: "John Lundsten" IMO if one wants to store so called linear PCM, use WAV. All other formats offer less & only exist for (a) backward compatibility for which I have no problem or (b) to screw the customer, which I find obnoxious. AIFF, AIFC

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Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote: > quite a few ideas thus far.. > > but still I' m not quite sure about the most important issue: > which is the most 'common' file-format for such things ? Four channel works are not common. Therefore, there are no common file formats for on-line delivery. Regards,

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"Michael Chapman" > At 05:52 25/11/2011, Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote: >> Hello list, >> >> I was asked a 4-channel work for an online-release - I' m now trying to >> figure out what the best way to "release" it would be.. ... >> are there any other ideas/observations/advices ?? ... > It would h

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I totally agree, any mention of MP3/WMA or any of the very lossy formats in the same breath as surround cannot be taken seriously. Flac has done a sterling job, most people use it, and so far I've no complaints. (oh, now what have I started LOL) Richard I dont know why FLAC and

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At 05:52 25/11/2011, Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote: >I did some web-research and I think that the most common formats for >that surround sound is mp3/flac and AAC I dont know why FLAC and MP3 are mentioned in the same sentence. While FLAC is reckoned to be non-lossy (and certainly seems to be

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quite a few ideas thus far.. but still I' m not quite sure about the most important issue: which is the most 'common' file-format for such things ? CAFs and WAVs etc are not-considered because of their size. Would sth like quicktime or VLC or Windows-Media-Player playback 4-channel Flacs or mp

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Hello Marinos, Doesn't the "label" (presumably a label?) have any preferences or advice? If they are interested in online releases of surround sound works, I'd have thought they might have some ideas. If you've done your work in B-format, you could make several versions available: --quad --5.1

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Sound discussion group Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release > Hello list, > > I was asked a 4-channel work for an online-release - I' m now trying to > figure out what the best way to "release" it wou

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> Hello list, > > I was asked a 4-channel work for an online-release - I' m now trying to > figure out what the best way to "release" it would be.. > > I am totally inexperienced in web-friendly file formats for such things.. > > afaic > - I could use mp3-surround -> but it' s only 5.1 and this cou

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I see no difficulty with FLAC files. I have bought them from http://www.2l.no/hires/index.html and played them with Samplitude. David At 18:33 24/11/2011, Marinos Koutsomichalis wrote: >Hello list, > >I was asked a 4-channel work for an online-release - I' m now trying >to figure out what the

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I too would be really interested in this. I've got a 1st order recording of a live performance that I would love to upload to soundcloud. (Which I doubt will be able to play it). On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Marinos Koutsomichalis < mari...@agxivatein.com> wrote: > Hello list, > > I was as