Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

This has, unfortunately, been a problem with Nuendo since the ver earliest days, when the limitation was 8 (yes, eight!) channels!! I have made the point about removing this unnecessary limitation to everyone I have ever known in Steinberg (including Charlie Steinberg himself) but without much luck

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

Hi Emanuele, in my version of Nuendo (version 4) 10.2 is the largest bus (12 channels) On 5 October 2013 16:56, Emanuele wrote: > Nuendo 10.2? > > > On 05/10/2013 13:47, Augustine Leudar wrote: > >> Im banishing coffee from my life, hopefully sleep deprivation to - anyway >> I tried experiment

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

Le 2013-10-05 11:56 AM, Emanuele a écrit : >Nuendo 10.2? > >On 05/10/2013 13:47, Augustine Leudar wrote: >> >>but in terms of higher orders on my version on nuendo 10.2 is the most >>channels I could have on one bus( 12 channels) There's a comma missing: "but in terms of higher orders on my versi

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

Nuendo 10.2? On 05/10/2013 13:47, Augustine Leudar wrote: Im banishing coffee from my life, hopefully sleep deprivation to - anyway I tried experimenting with wigware in nuendo last night (routing a channel with the encoder to a group with the decoder) - but in terms of higher orders on my vers

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

Im banishing coffee from my life, hopefully sleep deprivation to - anyway I tried experimenting with wigware in nuendo last night (routing a channel with the encoder to a group with the decoder) - but in terms of higher orders on my version on nuendo 10.2 is the most channels I could have on one b

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

I have to say that I can't really see the need to ever split a .amb file (or any other B format file format) into separate channels - it's best to keep them together except under some very, very specific circumstances which will rarely (if ever) crop up for most users, except for some really wacky

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

I recommend joining Kopi (www.kopi.co.uk

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

Hi Yvan, Great to see you here, especially asking _those_ questions. I may even have answered some of them in the vst plugins list in tn the early 200's :-) There have been Ambisonic VST plugins (at least just first order ones) for at least a dozen years - in the early days (Nuendo 1) they wou

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

We use data aquisition and logging for recording electrical signals in plants - for data logging we just store long term data in a txt file and uits normally something we leave in the field , batrtery driven, for a length of time and it stores data on an sd card - it can be converted into a graph,

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

Thu, 3 Oct 2013 04:33:50 - (GMT), "Michael Chapman" a écrit : > No idea what folks who do physical measurements over time use as file > formats (light intensity over 24 hours for example), but if I didn't > know of anything better .wav would fit the bill. > But this is straying a little off t

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

hi daniel, good to see you around! On 10/02/2013 07:36 PM, Daniel Courville wrote: Le 2013-10-02 06:50, Jörn Nettingsmeier a écrit : the plugins are a bit weird in the way they are automated (last time i looked, it was x/y coordinates of the panner position in the GUI), and the way they model

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

Fons wrote: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 11:52:17AM +0100, Richard Dobson wrote: > >> If you find a .wav file somewhere on the net, what do expect >> it to contain? > > Audio signals of some sort... Just as a real 'use case' of how .wav files can be used (or ?abused). I created a file with one cycle

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 11:52:17AM +0100, Richard Dobson wrote: > If you find a .wav file somewhere on the net, what do expect > it to contain? Audio signals of some sort... All the rest must be carried by file headers or information 'chunks' such as the one used in the amb wav format. Ciao,

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 08:58:36PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > it is the panner that defines the capabilities of the downstream > bus and the meaning of every single channel in it. Couldn't be more right. > an 8-cube could be used as a bus, but that's not ambisonic mixing. > some people

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

On 10/02/2013 08:44 PM, Augustine Leudar wrote: He's from steinberg isnt he ? Damn you coffee. er so Yvan yes it makes sense and yes it would be super cool for sound designers everywhere if that could happen. It would also be great if Nuendo had a couple buses with vertical capability - like

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

Given Yvan's deep presence within Steinberg (custodian of the VST SDK and VST-GUI among other things), I rather assumed he has made his inquiry because this is indeed a possibility. The case needs to be made, presumably. Which is why debating the virtues and vices of the file extension may be

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

It is still better to associate verbs such as "allow" with the player, rather than with the file. Software allows you do do stuff, files just are what they are. The specialists here may argue about "any number of speakers". Classical Ambisonic decoding requires specific kinds of regular layout

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

He's from steinberg isnt he ? Damn you coffee. er so Yvan yes it makes sense and yes it would be super cool for sound designers everywhere if that could happen. It would also be great if Nuendo had a couple buses with vertical capability - like "8 cube" etc On 2 October 2013 19:24, Augustine

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

but yes if you could get Nuendo to import .amb it would be brilliant . On 2 October 2013 19:19, Augustine Leudar wrote: > Hi Yvan - > > 1) Nuendo does not allow you to import or export .amb files natively. > 2) Wigware or the others VSTs suggested on this thread will work in Nuendo > - you coul

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

Hi Yvan - 1) Nuendo does not allow you to import or export .amb files natively. 2) Wigware or the others VSTs suggested on this thread will work in Nuendo - you could do your ambisonic mixing in nuendo but getting the vertical plane right will be a routing headache. 3) You would have to export how

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

Yvan, I would say yes, definitely, to both parts of question 1, both input and output capabilities would be useful. A normal workflow might go something like this: - record A-format (direct mic signals) in the field - Main project: + read the field recording in its native format, multi-mono,

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

So basically "the .amb file will allow you to decode b-format to any number of speakers up to 16" . In that case I dont think you could export directly to .amb in nuendo even with wigware , and it would probably at best just let you import the x,y,z/w. as four seperate tracks or one interleaved qu

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

Yes - thats right - decode FROM - more caffeine ! On 2 October 2013 18:39, Michael Chapman wrote: > > rephrase after coffee (not sure if that will help) > > So if this was to work in with a media player the media player would have > > to know how many speakers you have and where they are (is 8

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

> rephrase after coffee (not sure if that will help) > So if this was to work in with a media player the media player would have > to know how many speakers you have and where they are (is 8 in a cube or > eight in the azimuth) - then the media player would have to decode to > .amb > file dependin

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

Le 2013-10-02 06:50, Jörn Nettingsmeier a écrit : >On 10/02/2013 12:11 PM, Yvan Grabit wrote: >> 2) are there some Ambisonic plugins which could be use as Panners in >>Nuendo ? > >daniel courville has an extensive set of plugins at >http://www.radio.uqam.ca/ambisonic/b2x.html > >he may still be l

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

rephrase after coffee (not sure if that will help) So if this was to work in with a media player the media player would have to know how many speakers you have and where they are (is 8 in a cube or eight in the azimuth) - then the media player would have to decode to .amb file depending on your sp

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

On 10/02/2013 06:21 PM, Augustine Leudar wrote: so I guess your media player would have to tell the .amb file how many speakers you were using and it would decode the 'amb file for the correct order ? this is getting really confused. the purpose of an ambisonic file format and extension is two

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

so I guess your media player would have to tell the .amb file how many speakers you were using and it would decode the 'amb file for the correct order ? On 2 October 2013 15:55, Richard Dobson wrote: > Sort of: > > the purpose of ambisonic encoding is to enable any given stream or file to > be d

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

It is really rather standard in computer music circles; we could call it a well-established convention, to associate a particular extension with a particular file format. There is a wide range of soundfile formats "out there", many of which predate WAVE (.au, .snd, etc); to say nothing of the

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

Richard Furse's plugins would be a great place to start if Nuendo can have 16 channel tracks. I am happy to post our 3rd order audio units, but they are in varying states of sketchiness (i.e. knobs that don't do anything, odd coordinate system, etc...) Ben On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Jörn Ne

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

Sort of: the purpose of ambisonic encoding is to enable any given stream or file to be decoded into different speaker arrays; the purpose of the AMB format is to provide a standardised container (complete with file extension :-)) for B-Format streams (using FuMa encoding), and to disambiguat

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

On 10/02/2013 01:57 PM, Augustine Leudar wrote: I use nuendo - Im pretty sure you can use wigware ambisonic plugins - you can definitely use them in reaper- ah yes, of course. bruce wiggins' stuff is another great option - i keep forgetting it because i don't work on windows or mac... is anybo

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

Just to clarify - is the purpose of the .amb format so you can play the same .amb file ambisonically on different speaker arrays/numbers of speakers - it 1st order/ 2nd orger/ 3rd order etc ? On 2 October 2013 14:11, Paul Hodges wrote: > --On 02 October 2013 14:15 +0200 Sebastian Gabler > wro

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

--On 02 October 2013 14:15 +0200 Sebastian Gabler wrote: > Unless there are practical aspects, like the custom GUID would crash > most of the amb-agnostic players, which I doubt. Sound Forge 10 (I haven't tried 11 yet) will refuse to open a .amb file even if named .wav, because it doesn't recog

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

I am aware of these rather formal aspects. With the criteria of a self-describing format fulfilled, it comes down to a naming convention. Why that is part of a format specification is unclear to me. Moreover it may cause what is actually a misconception according to the below standing criteria

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

I use nuendo - Im pretty sure you can use wigware ambisonic plugins - you can definitely use them in reaper- there's some good tutorials youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuJsS_YpC2A You can have hundreds of separate channels in Nuendo - just keep adding buses. I guess you could just import

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

It's not a proprietary extension, any more than is "doc", "txt" or "cpp". It is simply strongly recommended as standard. It is a common misconception that a file extension somehow defines a file format. It does not, and more importantly should not, if the format itself has been properly design

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

hi yvan, On 10/02/2013 12:11 PM, Yvan Grabit wrote: Hi 1) i want to known if it makes sense for an application like Nuendo (Steinberg) : - to import directly (without decoding) AMB (Ambisonic) Files (described in http://dream.cs.bath.ac.uk/researchdev/wave-ex/bformat.html) - to allow to expor

Re: [Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

I guess it has been discussed here before, but why again is a proprietary extension proposed? See "The use of a custom GUID ensures that AMB files will not (and should not) be recognised as a soundfile by applications unaware of the format." Shouldn't that suffice, also for files that have th

[Sursound] Questions about support of .amb file (Wave based)

Hi 1) i want to known if it makes sense for an application like Nuendo (Steinberg) : - to import directly (without decoding) AMB (Ambisonic) Files (described in http://dream.cs.bath.ac.uk/researchdev/wave-ex/bformat.html) - to allow to export them directly (no Encoding) This means that the Nuend