On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 08:58:36PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
 
> it is the panner that defines the capabilities of the downstream
> bus and the meaning of every single channel in it.

Couldn't be more right.
 
> an 8-cube could be used as a bus, but that's not ambisonic mixing.
> some people have used the term "ambisonic-equivalent panning" for
> this - it basically means that the panner uses ambisonics
> internally, but already includes a decoder for a fixed speaker
> layout. this can be useful for people who are not familiar in terms
> of thinking in b-format, but it's generally wasteful and less
> flexible.

Wasteful because that second half of such a panner - the decoder,
which can easily be a factor 100 more complex than the bare panner
itself - could as well be in the master channel, or (even better)
in the monitoring module or (best) completely external.

> a better way to handle this usecase would be to have a panner that
> includes height, a b-format bus, and an appropriate decoder
> afterwards.

Right. In an ambisonic production flow the decoder is part of the
monitoring or reproduction system, just as pre-amplifier crossover 
filters or room EQ would be. Whatever happens in a DAW should only
deal with the B-format signals, and be oblivious of the speaker 
layout.
 
> oh and augustine, do get some more coffee ;)

Coffee, low-fat pizzas (e.g. marinara), isolation and lots of
reading :-)

Ciao,
 
-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)

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