Re: [SAtalk] Freeze for 2.30, call for nonspam.log submissions

2002-06-09 Thread Matthew Cline
On Sunday 09 June 2002 11:09 pm, Craig R Hughes wrote: > Anyone have any thoughts for a cool release name for 2.30? I just (finally) saw the Lord of the Rings movie, so Tolkien-esque names spring to mind. "Mordor"? ("Mordor, where the spammers lie") "Sauron"? ("The unblinking eye of Sauron,

[SAtalk] Freeze for 2.30, call for nonspam.log submissions

2002-06-09 Thread Craig R Hughes
Ok, if anyone is about to submit a patch, it's time to do it. I'd like to get 2.30 out by wednesday, which is pretty aggressive, but things are pretty stable right now. Please don't anyone check anything in (those of you with commit privs). Instead, please attach any changes to a bugzilla ticke

Re: [SAtalk] Re: scoring question

2002-06-09 Thread Olivier Nicole
> Only PORN_8 is negatively scoring. (Severely negative) PORN_* means PORN_8 of course, just a problem of synch on the shift key :)) Olivier ___ Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference August 25-28 in Las Veg

Re: [SAtalk] Re: scoring question

2002-06-09 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 09:11:33AM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > > | For certain items, e.g. porn, I would like to send > > | these to /dev/null. > > > > :0 > > * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes > > * ^X-Spam-Status:.*PORN > > /dev/null > > Be carefull!, rule PORN_* is a negative rule (it triggers on email

Re: [SAtalk] Ammusingly misconfigured spam software

2002-06-09 Thread Lars Hansson
On Sunday 09 June 2002 23:51, Brian May wrote: > You know.. I make my living writing code in VB.. and I must say it pisses > me off when people say that VB coders are "dumb". For personal use, I > write code in perl, PHP, C and yes VB. > > What are your reasons for calling VB coders dumb? Please

Re: [SAtalk] Re: C version

2002-06-09 Thread Craig R Hughes
Sean Rima wrote: SR> But if I disable spamc in Exim (I used your example config) and leave SR> dcc only I never get above a load average of 2.3 and dccd is flooding SR> with remote servers as well, pointing out that I use spamd with -L. Actually, *not* using -L should *decrease* your load -- in

Re: [SAtalk] Re: C version

2002-06-09 Thread Craig R Hughes
Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: DdH> On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 11:06:32PM +0100, Sean Rima wrote: DdH> DdH> | Yeah the spam[c/d] setup. My average is around 15 seconds, well it is an DdH> | old p133 the slowest appears to be 93 seconds. I am a dialup user and DdH> | when I go online off peak for the f

Re: [SAtalk] C version

2002-06-09 Thread Craig R Hughes
Sean Rima wrote: SR> I thought it would not affect me too much but even with a -m 2 and a -s SR> 61440 I reach a load average of over 15 which cripples my poor old mail SR> box :) Hmm, my understanding of "load" is "number of processes in the WAIT queue", which with -m 2 can only be 3 for SA --

Re: [SAtalk] C version

2002-06-09 Thread Craig R Hughes
The -S flag to spamd should also help greatly in constrained hardware situations. C Michael Stauber wrote: MS> Hi Sean, MS> MS> > My ISP is also looking at SA but performance maybe a problem. MS> MS> Yes, it sure can be. I've set up SA for a couple of ISPs on their Cobalt RaQ MS> servers. Those

Re: [SAtalk] Documentation for procmail / spamassassin gateway?

2002-06-09 Thread Olivier Nicole
> I must not be looking in the right place or something. The only thing I saw > for setting up a gateway was someone had posted an example sendmail.mc file > in usenet (Google search) but it didn't quite work for me. Mail passes > through the gateway, but none of my test spam ever passes through

Re: [SAtalk] Re: scoring question

2002-06-09 Thread Olivier Nicole
> | For certain items, e.g. porn, I would like to send > | these to /dev/null. > > :0 > * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes > * ^X-Spam-Status:.*PORN > /dev/null Be carefull!, rule PORN_* is a negative rule (it triggers on email that are not porn). Olivier ___

[SAtalk] Re: Re: scoring question

2002-06-09 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 09:40:14PM -0400, Duncan Findlay wrote: | On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 05:01:24PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: | > On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 05:39:28PM -0400, Don Bivens wrote: | > | > | For certain items, e.g. porn, I would like to send | > | these to /dev/null. | > | >

Re: [SAtalk] Ammusingly misconfigured spam software

2002-06-09 Thread Craig R Hughes
I'm picturing some developer with a line like: print "Approved for $5000...For $user only..."; sending out a test message sees that it reads: Approved for ...For fred only... And saying to himself "Doh! $5000 is a bad variable -- I should use '' there!" --> print 'Approved for $5000...For $

Re: [SAtalk] Re: scoring question

2002-06-09 Thread Jeremy Zawodny
On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 09:40:14PM -0400, Duncan Findlay wrote: > On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 05:01:24PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 05:39:28PM -0400, Don Bivens wrote: > > > > | For certain items, e.g. porn, I would like to send > > | these to /dev/null. > > > >

Re: [SAtalk] Re: scoring question

2002-06-09 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 05:01:24PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 05:39:28PM -0400, Don Bivens wrote: > > | For certain items, e.g. porn, I would like to send > | these to /dev/null. > > :0 > * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes > * ^X-Spam-Status:.*PORN > /dev/null > > (IOW, if

Re: [SAtalk] C version

2002-06-09 Thread Jeremy Zawodny
On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 12:33:13AM +0100, Sean Rima wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 12:19:20AM +0100, Sean Rima wrote: > >> > > >> > It's going to be a rather long wait, I think. Perl 6 probably > >> > won't be production ready for a few years. > >> > > >> > >> Darn, off to the forsale N

Re: [SAtalk] Re: scoring question

2002-06-09 Thread Don Bivens
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Re: [SAtalk] C version

2002-06-09 Thread Matthew Cline
On Sunday 09 June 2002 03:53 pm, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > The real problem you have is not so much spamd's performance, but the > fact that it sits idle 99% of the time, then gets slammed with 1K > messages in a matter of seconds. Even with my Duron 750 and not much > else happening, the b

Re: [SAtalk] C version

2002-06-09 Thread Sean Rima
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Jeremy Zawodny yowled: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 12:19:20AM +0100, Sean Rima wrote: >> > >> > It's going to be a rather long wait, I think. Perl 6 probably >> > won't be production ready for a few years. >> > >> >> Darn, off t

[SAtalk] Re: Re: C version

2002-06-09 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 12:07:14AM +0100, Sean Rima wrote: | On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Derrick Hudson muttered drunkenly: | | >| Yeah the spam[c/d] setup. My average is around 15 seconds, well it is | >| an old p133 the slowest appears to be 93 seconds. I am a dialup user | >| and when I go online off

Re: [SAtalk] C version

2002-06-09 Thread Jeremy Zawodny
On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 12:19:20AM +0100, Sean Rima wrote: > > > > It's going to be a rather long wait, I think. Perl 6 probably won't > > be production ready for a few years. > > > > Darn, off to the forsale NG's to price a new P4 methinks :) If you could use an old Celeron 300A board and CP

Re: [SAtalk] C version

2002-06-09 Thread Sean Rima
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Jeremy Zawodny uttered the following: >> >> My ISP is also looking at SA but performance maybe a problem. >> > >> > When Perl 6 comes out, it will have a Just In Time (JIT) compiler, >> > which will automatically compile Perl dow

Re: [SAtalk] Re: C version

2002-06-09 Thread Sean Rima
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Derrick Hudson muttered drunkenly: >| Yeah the spam[c/d] setup. My average is around 15 seconds, well it is >| an old p133 the slowest appears to be 93 seconds. I am a dialup user >| and when I go online off peak for the first tim

Re: [SAtalk] C version

2002-06-09 Thread Jeremy Zawodny
On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 11:45:33PM +0100, Sean Rima wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Matthew Cline stipulated: > > >> My ISP is also looking at SA but performance maybe a problem. > > > > When Perl 6 comes out, it will have a Just In Time (JIT) co

Re: [SAtalk] C version

2002-06-09 Thread Sean Rima
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Matthew Cline stipulated: >> My ISP is also looking at SA but performance maybe a problem. > > When Perl 6 comes out, it will have a Just In Time (JIT) compiler, > which will automatically compile Perl down to machine instruction

[SAtalk] Re: C version

2002-06-09 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 11:06:32PM +0100, Sean Rima wrote: | Yeah the spam[c/d] setup. My average is around 15 seconds, well it is an | old p133 the slowest appears to be 93 seconds. I am a dialup user and | when I go online off peak for the first time, fetchmail can throw over a | 1000 emails a

Re: [SAtalk] C version

2002-06-09 Thread Matthew Cline
On Sunday 09 June 2002 03:06 pm, Sean Rima wrote: > My ISP is also looking at SA but performance maybe a problem. When Perl 6 comes out, it will have a Just In Time (JIT) compiler, which will automatically compile Perl down to machine instructions for improved performance. So it probably woul

Re: [SAtalk] C version

2002-06-09 Thread Sean Rima
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Michael Stauber stipulated: >> My ISP is also looking at SA but performance maybe a problem. > > Yes, it sure can be. I've set up SA for a couple of ISPs on their > Cobalt RaQ servers. Those RaQs are pretty outdated boxes (AMD K

Re: [SAtalk] C version

2002-06-09 Thread Michael Stauber
Hi Sean, > My ISP is also looking at SA but performance maybe a problem. Yes, it sure can be. I've set up SA for a couple of ISPs on their Cobalt RaQ servers. Those RaQs are pretty outdated boxes (AMD K6/2 with 300-450 MHz) and performance wise they don't have much to offer. Even with SPAMd/

Re: [SAtalk] C version

2002-06-09 Thread Sean Rima
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Jeroen Scheerder told this: >>Is there any word on the C version of SA as I am getting him by >>performance issuses. > > A C version of the daemon, you mean? Or are you running "spamassassin > -P"? > > Using the C client (spamc)

[SAtalk] Re: scoring question

2002-06-09 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 05:39:28PM -0400, Don Bivens wrote: | For certain items, e.g. porn, I would like to send | these to /dev/null. :0 * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes * ^X-Spam-Status:.*PORN /dev/null (IOW, if it's spam and it triggered a porn rule, save it in the bit-bucket) -D -- He who scorns i

[SAtalk] scoring question

2002-06-09 Thread Don Bivens
On my particular setup I'm using sendmail with maildir format and IMAP. I send spamassassin filtered messages to a .SPAM folder underneath INBOX for review. The point of this is so that false-positives won't be lost forever. For certain items, e.g. porn, I would like to send these to /dev/null

Re: [SAtalk] C version

2002-06-09 Thread Jeroen Scheerder
Sean Rima (9/6/02 22:05 +0100) [[SAtalk] C version]: >Is there any word on the C version of SA as I am getting him by >performance issuses. A C version of the daemon, you mean? Or are you running "spamassassin -P"? Using the C client (spamc) against a local spamd (perl), most messages (about 75

[SAtalk] C version

2002-06-09 Thread Sean Rima
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is there any word on the C version of SA as I am getting him by performance issuses. Sean - -- Sean Rimahttp://www.tcob1.net Linux User: 231986 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE VIEWS EXPRESSED HERE

Re: [SAtalk] Finally got it working...

2002-06-09 Thread Bryan Hoover
David T-G wrote: > Well, I actually took the "lost cause" tack from your mail, though I > agree that there are bulk-friendly ISPs and others which just don't > care. Nah, didn't really mean to imply a lost cause. I was rather, optimistically projecting, or wishfully thinking regarding ISP's con

Re: [SAtalk] Finally got it working...

2002-06-09 Thread David T-G
Pete -- ...and then Pete Hanson said... % % At 06/09/2002 11:39, David T-G wrote: % >That's one good thing about spamcop, though; yes, it's possible to screw ... % >I'd at least look at the spamcop mails. % > % >Or am I lost in my own little utopia again? % % Probably not. Stuff like spamcop i

Re: [SAtalk] Finally got it working...

2002-06-09 Thread Pete Hanson
At 06/09/2002 11:39, David T-G wrote: >That's one good thing about spamcop, though; yes, it's possible to screw >up (even I have accidentally submitted and sent reports for non-spam), >but at least the addresses that get pulled out are for the right places. >If I were an ISP I'd be inclined to ign

Re: [SAtalk] Re: Finally got it working...

2002-06-09 Thread David T-G
Derrick -- ...and then Derrick 'dman' Hudson said... % % On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 12:51:49PM -0500, David T-G wrote: % % | I'm truly curious, since I would much rather have the spam go away than % | just drop it away on my server... % % My tactics are documented here : % http://marc.merlins

Re: [SAtalk] Finally got it working...

2002-06-09 Thread David T-G
Pete, et al -- ...and then Pete Hanson said... % % At 06/09/2002 10:30, Bryan Hoover wrote: % >David T-G wrote: % >Your point is taken, in that, there will always be a percentage of ISP % >who are not conscientious enough to have an opinion one way or the % >other, and so need a nudge in the rig

Re: [SAtalk] Finally got it working...

2002-06-09 Thread David T-G
Bryan, et al -- ...and then Bryan Hoover said... % % David T-G wrote: % ... % > listen to complaints, though perhaps if enough people complain they % > might. % > How, however, are those caring ISPs to chase the spammers around, as ... % > % > I'm truly curious, since I would much rather have t

Re: [SAtalk] Finally got it working...

2002-06-09 Thread Pete Hanson
At 06/09/2002 10:30, Bryan Hoover wrote: >David T-G wrote: >Your point is taken, in that, there will always be a percentage of ISP >who are not conscientious enough to have an opinion one way or the >other, and so need a nudge in the right direction. > >I suppose lately, I've had so much spam on t

[SAtalk] Re: Finally got it working...

2002-06-09 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 12:51:49PM -0500, David T-G wrote: | I'm truly curious, since I would much rather have the spam go away than | just drop it away on my server... My tactics are documented here : http://marc.merlins.org/linux/exim/sa.html Go ahead and try it out -- send to [EMAIL PROT

Re: [SAtalk] Finally got it working...

2002-06-09 Thread Bryan Hoover
David T-G wrote: > This is an interesting one, though... I'm sure there are some that > won't > listen to complaints, though perhaps if enough people complain they > might. > How, however, are those caring ISPs to chase the spammers around, as > you > put it, if nobody tells 'em about the proble

Re: [SAtalk] Finally got it working...

2002-06-09 Thread David T-G
Bryan, et al -- ...and then Bryan Hoover said... % % David T-G wrote: % % > actually report the spammer a la spamcop? % % I'm pretty sure neither report spammers. My guess is, ISPs that care do OK; that lines up with my understanding. That's why I still have a spamcop forwarding macro in my

[SAtalk] Documentation for procmail / spamassassin gateway?

2002-06-09 Thread Jason Qualkenbush
I must not be looking in the right place or something. The only thing I saw for setting up a gateway was someone had posted an example sendmail.mc file in usenet (Google search) but it didn't quite work for me. Mail passes through the gateway, but none of my test spam ever passes through a SA c

Re: [SAtalk] Ammusingly misconfigured spam software

2002-06-09 Thread Bryan Hoover
Brian May wrote: > Not to nitpick, but that is most languages.. if you don't know how to > use > the languange.. its kinda hard to make it do what you want it to > do... :) Sure. I made my comments with tounge firmly planted in cheek. Indeed, the measure of intelligence is not a function of

RE: [SAtalk] Ammusingly misconfigured spam software

2002-06-09 Thread Brian May
You know.. I make my living writing code in VB.. and I must say it pisses me off when people say that VB coders are "dumb". For personal use, I write code in perl, PHP, C and yes VB. What are your reasons for calling VB coders dumb? Please reply off list. -Original Message- From: [EM

Re: [SAtalk] Finally got it working...

2002-06-09 Thread Bryan Hoover
David T-G wrote: > actually report the spammer a la spamcop? I'm pretty sure neither report spammers. My guess is, ISPs that care do a good enough job chasing spamers around. The rest won't listen to complaints. I imagine, reporting them is, seen in the light of day, is probably pointless. Br

RE: [SAtalk] Ammusingly misconfigured spam software

2002-06-09 Thread Brian May
Not to nitpick, but that is most languages.. if you don't know how to use the languange.. its kinda hard to make it do what you want it to do... :) Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bryan Hoover Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 10:59 P

Re: [SAtalk] Finally got it working...

2002-06-09 Thread David T-G
Bryan -- ...and then Bryan Hoover said... % % dempsey wrote: % % > I am not adding anything else for now. I recently have added qmail, ... % For me, it's not enough just to rid my mailbox of spam. I feel like I ... % would be best is to contribute to the spammer's demoralization, I heartily a

[SAtalk] Re: Ammusingly misconfigured spam software

2002-06-09 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Sat, Jun 08, 2002 at 11:02:35PM -0700, Jeremy Zawodny wrote: | On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 01:46:14AM -0400, Duncan Findlay wrote: | > On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 10:49:34PM -0700, Matthew Cline wrote: | > | > > Just got some spam with the subject "Approved for $5000...For | > > $user only", and in