RE: [SAtalk] Latest scores oddities

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Moncur
I just went through and took a close look at the scores. I think they turned out very well - the GA and I agree on just about everything this time. Bart already mentioned some of these, but here is a list of scores I find questionable. First, three definite problems: >score PORN_8

Re: [SAtalk] ok_languages addition

2002-04-19 Thread Daniel Quinlan
Bart Schaefer writes: > This, on the other hand, is not clear. The GPL attempts to apply to the > algorithms used in the code as well as to the literal code itself; some > people interpret this to mean that if you so much as look at a piece of > GPL'd code, you might accidentally learn something

Re: [SAtalk] Latest scores oddities

2002-04-19 Thread Daniel Quinlan
Duncan Findlay writes: > On Debian, the score for CHARSET_FARAWAY went from 0.0 to 0.0. :-) Instead of setting CHARSET_FARAWAY to 0.0, why not just have a "ok_locales every" option that indicates the rule should be disabled and make that the Debian default? Then, it only requires one line in th

Re: [SAtalk] ok_languages addition

2002-04-19 Thread Craig R Hughes
Bart Schaefer wrote: BS> On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Craig R Hughes wrote: BS> > It's hard, since the GPL is incompatible with the Artistic license, and BS> > I think there are a lot of people who use SA who are presently extending BS> > it in ways which are compatible with the SA license, but not with

Re: [SAtalk] ok_languages addition

2002-04-19 Thread Daniel Quinlan
Craig R Hughes writes: > Of course, maybe the original author could be convinced to offer an > Artistic license on his work, then the problem would magically go > away. I'll ask. > I imagine this would probably happen more frequently in email than > in "normal" text, since emails tend to use ab

Re: [SAtalk] ok_languages addition

2002-04-19 Thread Rick Macdougall
Hi, True, true... but :) QT, Apache, mod_ssl et al can all be considered 'modules' that run on Linux which is GPL'd :) Isn't Inodb for MySQL not GPL'd but still an optional part of MySQL (which is now GPL'd) ? Either way a quick letter the the FSF or RMS would clear it up and this is probably

Re: [SAtalk] ok_languages addition

2002-04-19 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Craig R Hughes wrote: > It's hard, since the GPL is incompatible with the Artistic license, and > I think there are a lot of people who use SA who are presently extending > it in ways which are compatible with the SA license, but not with the > GPL (they don't want to release

Re: [SAtalk] ok_languages addition

2002-04-19 Thread Rick Macdougall
Hi, Again, IANAL but there are GPL'd perl modules, BSD perl modules etc etc, are Net::DNS, Mail::Mime etc, all gpl'd? Regards, Rick - Original Message - From: "Tony L. Svanstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Rick Macdougall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Daniel Quinlan" <[E

Re: [SAtalk] ok_languages addition

2002-04-19 Thread Tony L. Svanstrom
On Sat, 20 Apr 2002 the voices made Rick Macdougall write: > An add on module to Spam Assassin (IMHO) would not make SpamAssassin a GPL'd > product, just that module This is my understanding as well, but I'm not sure if that module can be part of the basic package that people download when gett

Re: [SAtalk] outgoing mail & mailing lists

2002-04-19 Thread Dan Wilson
Quoting Sidney Markowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dan Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > These are my settings... other than the rewrite_subject. > > My users use that to filter in the mail client. > > That's ok if you add a rule that guarantees that mail is not flagged as spam > on the > way o

Re: [SAtalk] ok_languages addition

2002-04-19 Thread Rick Macdougall
Hi, As always, IANAL but If I interpret the GPL correctly then any and all changes made by someone to the module that ARE released to the general public or sold to a 3rd party must be released in source form to the general public or 3rd party. An add on module to Spam Assassin (IMHO) would n

Re: [SAtalk] outgoing mail & mailing lists

2002-04-19 Thread Sidney Markowitz
Dan Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These are my settings... other than the rewrite_subject. > My users use that to filter in the mail client. That's ok if you add a rule that guarantees that mail is not flagged as spam on the way out, since then the subject will not be changed. You want to b

Re: [SAtalk] Latest scores oddities

2002-04-19 Thread Duncan Findlay
> score: CHARSET_FARAWAY 0.8 -> 2.070 > > The Debian people will just love that one. On Debian, the score for CHARSET_FARAWAY went from 0.0 to 0.0. :-) -- Duncan Findlay ___ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.

Re: [SAtalk] ok_languages addition

2002-04-19 Thread Craig R Hughes
DQ> Do you accept GPL modules? It's hard, since the GPL is incompatible with the Artistic license, and I think there are a lot of people who use SA who are presently extending it in ways which are compatible with the SA license, but not with the GPL (they don't want to release source back, or wa

RE: [SAtalk] outgoing mail & mailing lists

2002-04-19 Thread CertaintyTech - Ed Henderson
> I didn't see any way mentioned to tell qmail-scanner not to scan > outgoing mail. If > you follow the advice of setting your SA preferences to not > modify the body and add a > rule that gives a big negative score for some header that you can > be sure indicates > that the mail is being sent fro

[SAtalk] ok_languages addition

2002-04-19 Thread Daniel Quinlan
Craig, Do you accept GPL modules? I'm working on adapting TextCat, a language guesser, for use in SA, but the one perl script (which I converted into a module) and the language definitions files are licensed with the GPL (by the upstream author). Here's the upstream source: http://odur.let.ru

Re: [SAtalk] outgoing mail & mailing lists

2002-04-19 Thread Dan Wilson
Quoting Sidney Markowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dan Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2. Is there a way to configure it to not scan outgoing email. > > I'm thinking this is actually done through qmail-scanner? > rewrite_subject 0 > report_header 1 > use_terse_report 1 > defang_mime 0 > skip_

Re: [SAtalk] outgoing mail & mailing lists

2002-04-19 Thread Sidney Markowitz
Dan Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2. Is there a way to configure it to not scan outgoing email. > I'm thinking this is actually done through qmail-scanner? The qmail-scanner faq says: 10. How do I configure/install Spam Assassin? [...] I'd recommend not running it in the default mode, wher

[SAtalk] outgoing mail & mailing lists

2002-04-19 Thread Dan Wilson
I have two questions/issues that are related... 1. I am part of several mailing lists and it appears that my outgoing emails, when parsed through spamassassin are getting garbled when sending to mailing lists. In fact, when trying to confirm my subsribe to this list, it rejected it, because s

[SAtalk] Re: Newbie white list question

2002-04-19 Thread Shane Williams
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Scott Doty wrote: > On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 03:16:51PM -0700, John Lang wrote: > > Should this work? > > > > whitelist_from*@my-cast.com, *@elitepc.com > > Try > > whitelist_from*@my-cast.com > whitelist_from*@elitepc.com The multiple line version is

Re: [SAtalk] FORGED_*_RCVD scores low?

2002-04-19 Thread Nathan Neulinger
Ken Causey wrote: > > OK, after reading through the source for one of the Received header > tests, I realize they aren't exactly infallible. Thanks. > > Ken Causey > > On Fri, 2002-04-19 at 10:31, Bart Schaefer wrote: > > On 19 Apr 2002, Ken Causey wrote: > > > > > Is there any case in which a

Re: [SAtalk] Newbie white list question

2002-04-19 Thread Scott Doty
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 03:16:51PM -0700, John Lang wrote: > Should this work? > > whitelist_from*@my-cast.com, *@elitepc.com Try whitelist_from *@my-cast.com whitelist_from *@elitepc.com -Scott ___ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTE

[SAtalk] Newbie white list question

2002-04-19 Thread John Lang
Should this work? whitelist_from*@my-cast.com, *@elitepc.com I've also tried it as: whitelist_from"*@my-cast.com", "*@elitepc.com" I know my user_prefs is being used because I change the required_hits to 5.9 and saw the results in the spam headers. -- John Lang, E-mail: [EMAIL PRO

Re: [SAtalk] ignoring whitelist_from?

2002-04-19 Thread Faisal Jawdat
I'm having this problem and I have no quotes on the addresses. I thought it might be tabs between the directive and the contents, but that seems to work for other directives. -faisal ___ Spamassassin-talk mail

Re: [SAtalk] FORGED_*_RCVD scores low?

2002-04-19 Thread Ken Causey
OK, after reading through the source for one of the Received header tests, I realize they aren't exactly infallible. Thanks. Ken Causey On Fri, 2002-04-19 at 10:31, Bart Schaefer wrote: > On 19 Apr 2002, Ken Causey wrote: > > > Is there any case in which a "valid" email has forged recieved hea

Re: [SAtalk] Latest scores oddities

2002-04-19 Thread Daniel Quinlan
Bart Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Here are some that are uninteresting except for the magnitude of change: > > score: DOMAIN_BODY 0.8 -> 4.782 For at least this one and possibly some of the others, the large change is because the original score was assigned by a human. I suspect that

Re: [SAtalk] ignoring whitelist_from?

2002-04-19 Thread Craig R Hughes
Michael Blakeley wrote: MB> whitelist_from "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Lose the quotes and see if that helps. C ___ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk

Re: [SAtalk] ignoring whitelist_from?

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Blakeley
At 12:42 -0700 2002-04-19, Craig R Hughes wrote: >Michael Blakeley wrote: > >MB> whitelist_from "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > >Lose the quotes and see if that helps. That did it. Looking at the user_prefs template again, I guess it is pretty obvious: # Whitelist and blacklist addresses are now file-glo

[SAtalk] ignoring whitelist_from?

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Blakeley
Sorry if this is a FAQ: I checked the FAQ and list archives without coming across the answer. I'm using SpamAssassin 2.11 on a server that I don't control. I'm trying to whitelist a particular From address using my $HOME/.spamassassin/user_preferences file. Here's the config and my test: $ p

RE: [SAtalk] SpamAssassin 2.20 released!

2002-04-19 Thread CertaintyTech - Ed Henderson
> > Finally! It's here! I just rolled out the .tar.gz and .zip files to the > spamassassin.org website, so it should either be updated now, or will > auto-update itself soon to reflect that. Matt Seargeant, I'd be > obliged if you > could update CPAN with 2.20. The CVS tag for this release is

Re: [SAtalk] SA false positive

2002-04-19 Thread Craig R Hughes
Bart Schaefer wrote: BS> On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Bart Schaefer wrote: BS> BS> > What I still can't figure out is why this matched ASCII_FORM_ENTRY. BS> BS> I just did a cvs update and noticed that the GA has now reduced the score BS> on ASCII_FORM_ENTRY 3.135 -> 0.036. Any sufficiently advanced GA

[SAtalk] Latest scores oddities

2002-04-19 Thread Bart Schaefer
I have a perl script that diffs scores files and reports large changes. Glancing through its output: score: BUGZILLA_BUG -2.000 -> 1.123 (I thought BUGZILLA_BUG wasn't supposed to be passed through the GA?) score: CHARSET_FARAWAY 0.8 -> 2.070 The Debian people will just love that one. score:

[SAtalk] SpamAssassin 2.20 released!

2002-04-19 Thread Craig R Hughes
Finally! It's here! I just rolled out the .tar.gz and .zip files to the spamassassin.org website, so it should either be updated now, or will auto-update itself soon to reflect that. Matt Seargeant, I'd be obliged if you could update CPAN with 2.20. The CVS tag for this release is spamassa

Re: [SAtalk] SA false positive

2002-04-19 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Bart Schaefer wrote: > What I still can't figure out is why this matched ASCII_FORM_ENTRY. I just did a cvs update and noticed that the GA has now reduced the score on ASCII_FORM_ENTRY 3.135 -> 0.036. ___ Spamassassin-talk maili

[SAtalk] SA false positive

2002-04-19 Thread Bart Schaefer
It appears that QuickMailPro for the Mac can generate messages that match the TO_LOCALPART_EQ_REAL rule. The original message to which this was a reply (which is excerpted in full, sigh) does not have any real names. What I still can't figure out is why this matched ASCII_FORM_ENTRY. The undersc

Re: [SAtalk] FORGED_*_RCVD scores low?

2002-04-19 Thread Bart Schaefer
On 19 Apr 2002, Ken Causey wrote: > Is there any case in which a "valid" email has forged recieved headers? Rarely; but I'm sure there are cases in which SpamAssassin may mistakenly identify a received header as forged when it really is not. You can think of it as lowering the score to account

Re: [SAtalk] FORGED_*_RCVD scores low?

2002-04-19 Thread Derek Broughton
Ken Causey wrote: > I realize that most of the scores in SA were GA derived, and I agree > that that seems like a very good technique. However, I have to wonder > at the scores for forged recieved headers. Is there any case in which a > "valid" email has forged recieved headers? Why don't thes

[SAtalk] FORGED_*_RCVD scores low?

2002-04-19 Thread Ken Causey
I realize that most of the scores in SA were GA derived, and I agree that that seems like a very good technique. However, I have to wonder at the scores for forged recieved headers. Is there any case in which a "valid" email has forged recieved headers? Why don't these tests have higher scores?