Re: [SAtalk] A better alternative to test ROUND_THE_WORLD]

2002-03-02 Thread Rob McMillin
Daniel Quinlan wrote: >Rob McMillin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>When sysadmins in those TLDs fix their relays, I'll be happy to hear >>them out. >> >The other problem with using this type of test in a spam corpus is >that you're using a small subset of global spam. I don't do any >business w

Re: [SAtalk] A better alternative to test ROUND_THE_WORLD]

2002-03-02 Thread Daniel Quinlan
Rob McMillin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > When sysadmins in those TLDs fix their relays, I'll be happy to hear > them out. The other problem with using this type of test in a spam corpus is that you're using a small subset of global spam. I don't do any business with people from some random co

[SAtalk] Attachment checking eval tests

2002-03-02 Thread Matthew Cline
I've gotten lots of spam that's only an attachment. To detect this, I've written two rawbody eval subroutines. One checks if the first part of a multi-part mail has any non-blank lines, and if it has none, it returns true; this is supposed to detect messages that are soley attachments with no

[SAtalk] Limiting the children in spamd / BSD sighandling bug?

2002-03-02 Thread Duncan Findlay
I'm trying to put together a patch for spamd that would allow a command line option to limit the number of children spamd has. Since my P1/100 40M RAM always slows to absolute uselessness when many mails are being processed, (like 25-30) which happens when I start up. Could someone (Craig?) expla

Re: [SAtalk] A better alternative to test ROUND_THE_WORLD]

2002-03-02 Thread Rob McMillin
Duncan Findlay wrote: >We must also remember that by making it easy for our users to descriminate, we >aren't hurting our users, but anyone who uses one of those TLDs, most of >whom are 100% innocent. > When sysadmins in those TLDs fix their relays, I'll be happy to hear them out. In the meantim

Re: [SAtalk] A better alternative to test ROUND_THE_WORLD]

2002-03-02 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 09:04:18AM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > > > HI, > > I fully agree with Duncan (see my address above? :) Thanks :-) > Last point, discriminating on the .country TLD could get SA in big > trouble being accused of discrimination. Banning cocacola.com would be > better a

Re: [SAtalk] A better alternative to test ROUND_THE_WORLD]

2002-03-02 Thread Olivier Nicole
HI, I fully agree with Duncan (see my address above? :) I hardly receive any spam from .th, but I receive a heap from .com, should .com be banned? Most domain in Thailand are registered in .com or .net, so the test would be mostly meaningless as it will cover Universities and Govt agencies th

Re: [SAtalk] Re: A better alternative to test ROUND_THE_WORLD

2002-03-02 Thread Rob McMillin
Daniel Pittman wrote: >On Sat, 02 Mar 2002, Rob McMillin wrote: > >>Duncan Findlay wrote: >> >>>On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 09:50:03PM -0800, Rob McMillin wrote: >>> I would like to suggest that the ROUND_THE_WORLD test, which seems to catch little real spam these days. (Maybe it's just me.)

[SAtalk] 0.0 scored rules

2002-03-02 Thread Matthew Cline
Looking in the scores files, I find these rules with score 0.0 score FREQ_SPAM_PHRASE 0.0 score FROM_FORGED_HOTMAIL0.0 score HUNZA_DIET_BREAD 0.0 score SEXY_PICS 0.0 score SPAM_PHRASES_020 0.0 score SPAM_PHRASES_030

[SAtalk] Re: A better alternative to test ROUND_THE_WORLD

2002-03-02 Thread Daniel Pittman
On Sat, 02 Mar 2002, Rob McMillin wrote: > Duncan Findlay wrote: >>On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 09:50:03PM -0800, Rob McMillin wrote: >> >>> I would like to suggest that the ROUND_THE_WORLD test, which seems >>> to catch little real spam these days. (Maybe it's just me.) I would >>> submit for the grou

Re: [SAtalk] A better alternative to test ROUND_THE_WORLD

2002-03-02 Thread Rob McMillin
Duncan Findlay wrote: >On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 09:50:03PM -0800, Rob McMillin wrote: > >>I would like to suggest that the ROUND_THE_WORLD test, which seems to >>catch little real spam these days. (Maybe it's just me.) I would submit >>for the group's slings and arrows, as a better substitute, a

[SAtalk] Re: A better alternative to test ROUND_THE_WORLD

2002-03-02 Thread Alan Shutko
Duncan Findlay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Lets try not to discriminate against foreign users. > > One complaint I had with the Debian package was that FARAWAY_CHARSET caught > foreign users participating in the Debian project (often because they wanted > to use 1 special character in their sig

Re: [SAtalk] Does "spamassasin -r" strip spam reporting?

2002-03-02 Thread Matthew Cline
On Saturday 02 March 2002 08:38 am, dman wrote: > macro index "!echo reporting to SA\rspamassassin -d | > spamassassin -r ; echo \"report done!\"\r" "spamassasin -d". Right. I should have RFTM'd. -- Visit http://dmoz.org, the world's | Give a man a match, and he'll be warm largest human e

Re: [SAtalk] Spammers trying to adapt..

2002-03-02 Thread Daniel Quinlan
Craig R Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think the idea with GAPPY_TEXT is to catch these things. I > suspect it's not working right though. Why not strip out all non-letters and then do matching for things like the "remove" rules? take this: +++

[SAtalk] Wierd Spam Message

2002-03-02 Thread Mike Loiterman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just received a strange email message: From: "delbert" To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Subject: " Did you pray for this?15693" It is an html message with no clear indication of how it arrived in my mailbox as I have no mail account [EMAIL

Re: [SAtalk] A better alternative to test ROUND_THE_WORLD

2002-03-02 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 09:50:03PM -0800, Rob McMillin wrote: > I would like to suggest that the ROUND_THE_WORLD test, which seems to > catch little real spam these days. (Maybe it's just me.) I would submit > for the group's slings and arrows, as a better substitute, a rule that > seems to wor

Re: [SAtalk] Does "spamassasin -r" strip spam reporting?

2002-03-02 Thread Nix
On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Matthew Cline muttered drunkenly: > Does "spamassasin -r" strip all the spam reporting stuff from the message > before it's sent to Razor? Or is it merely a wrapper around "razor-report"? > I'd like to use it to report spam that doesn't go above the auto-report > thershhol

RE: [SAtalk] Sendmail + Milter + Spamassassin + Easy Administration

2002-03-02 Thread Jeffrey Thompson
>From: Craig R Hughes >Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 1:19 PM >To: Jeffrey Thompson >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Sendmail + Milter + Spamassassin + Easy Administration >Jeffrey Thompson wrote: > I'm very interested in getting spamd/spamc working in Sendmail with: >- No restr

Re: [SAtalk] Sendmail + Milter + Spamassassin + Easy Administration

2002-03-02 Thread Craig R Hughes
Jeffrey Thompson wrote: > I'm very interested in getting spamd/spamc working in Sendmail with: >- No restriction on message size Um, are you sure you want that? I suspect you probably don't really. Very large files are very unlikely to be spam. Very large files also take a very long ti

Re: [SAtalk] Spammers trying to adapt..

2002-03-02 Thread Craig R Hughes
I think the idea with GAPPY_TEXT is to catch these things. I suspect it's not working right though. C Martin Bene wrote: > Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:22:40 +0100 > From: Martin Bene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [SAtalk] Spammers trying to adapt.. > > Hi, > > spammers

[SAtalk] Sendmail + Milter + Spamassassin + Easy Administration

2002-03-02 Thread Jeffrey Thompson
I'm very interested in getting spamd/spamc working in Sendmail with: - No restriction on message size - Easily configurable down to the user@domain for multiple (virtual) domains with Sendmail: something like the /etc/mail/virtuserstable that tells sendmail whether or not to filter for this

Re: [SAtalk] Spammers trying to adapt..

2002-03-02 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
> (none of the "remove" rules triggered) True, but gappy text should have been triggered. Maybe we need a gappy remove-specific test, because there's a lot of nonspam gappy text out there Regards, Andrew ___ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PRO

Re: [SAtalk] Misc header filters

2002-03-02 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Matthew Cline wrote: > header X_AUTH_WARNING X-Authentication-Warning =~ /./ > describe X_AUTH_WARNING X-Authentication-Warning header exists > > score X_AUTH_WARNING3.0 X-Authentication-Warning shows up in an awful lot of perfectly ordinary mai

Re: [SAtalk] Deadlock using spamc and spamass-milter

2002-03-02 Thread Bart Schaefer
On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Craig Hughes wrote: > I don't understand the source of the problem. Is there a limit on the > "pipe size" that I wasn't aware of? Yes, there's a kernel buffer size limit, typically around 8k these days but configurable. > In that case, you could solve the problem by introdu

Re: [SAtalk] Email list rules

2002-03-02 Thread dman
On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 01:52:48AM -0800, Matthew Cline wrote: | Here's a stab at some rules that attempt to detect messages from mailing | lists. "List-Unsubscribe", "X-Original-Date" and "Errors-To" might all be | from the same mailing list software, in which case they'd be redundant. This w

Re: [SAtalk] Does "spamassasin -r" strip spam reporting?

2002-03-02 Thread dman
On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 09:23:09PM -0800, Matthew Cline wrote: | Does "spamassasin -r" strip all the spam reporting stuff from the message | before it's sent to Razor? Or is it merely a wrapper around "razor-report"? | I'd like to use it to report spam that doesn't go above the auto-report |

[SAtalk] Re: Good thing I live in CA (or TX)

2002-03-02 Thread Shane Williams
On 1 Mar 2002, Craig Hughes wrote: > Yay, I get to vote against this punk next week. > > C > > Rep. Bill Jones Thinks Spam is "Innovative" [Story about dumbass politician] If you live in Texas, keep in mind that Tony Sanchez did the same thing (though I don't know if they forged headers like Jon

Re: [SAtalk] Unitialized value in subsitution?

2002-03-02 Thread Rob McMillin
Matthew Cline wrote: >It's apparently because of this rule: > >header PLEASE_READ /please read/i >describe PLEASE_READ Please read this! Please oh please of please! > >I didn't put in "XYZ =~". Hmmm, maybe there should be better warning >messages? Or maybe a lint for the rules files? >

Re: [SAtalk] Email list rules

2002-03-02 Thread Rob McMillin
Matthew Cline wrote: >Here's a stab at some rules that attempt to detect messages from mailing >lists. "List-Unsubscribe", "X-Original-Date" and "Errors-To" might all be >from the same mailing list software, in which case they'd be redundant. > > ># Only look for 7 bit chars be

[SAtalk] Spammers trying to adapt..

2002-03-02 Thread Martin Bene
Hi, spammers are obviously trying to evade SA rules, have a look at this as an example: If you wish to be "r e m o v e d" -of f our - l-i- s-t, ple ase em ail [EMAIL PROTECTED] or a

AW: [SAtalk] RBL Configuration

2002-03-02 Thread Martin Bene
Hi Casey, > I'm using MimeDefang with SpamAssassin and it is working very > well. My > question is this: how do I go about configuring which RBL services for > SpamAssassin to use? Does the SpamAssassin RBL functionality > work if I'm using MimeDefang? If you're using default settings: No, i

Re: [SAtalk] Unitialized value in subsitution?

2002-03-02 Thread Matthew Cline
It's apparently because of this rule: header PLEASE_READ /please read/i describe PLEASE_READ Please read this! Please oh please of please! I didn't put in "XYZ =~". Hmmm, maybe there should be better warning messages? Or maybe a lint for the rules files? -- Visit http://dmoz.org, the

[SAtalk] Unitialized value in subsitution?

2002-03-02 Thread Matthew Cline
I've been getting these warning messages lately from qmail: Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/home/matt/develop/spamassassin/lib/Mail/SpamAssassin/PerMsgStatus.pm line 826./Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/home/matt/develop/spamassassin/lib/Mail/Sp

RE: [SAtalk] Email list rules

2002-03-02 Thread Michael Moncur
Trouble is, I've seen lots of spam lately sent using legitimate mailing list software (i.e. Lyris). I definitely wouldn't use a score as low as -2 for any of these. -- michael moncur mgm at starlingtech.com http://www.starlingtech.com/ "If we don't change direction soon, we'll end up where we

Re: [SAtalk] Email list rules

2002-03-02 Thread William R Ward
Many popular mailing list programs add either "List-Id:" or "Mailing-List:" to the messages. These would be good additions to your rules. Another approach is to target individual list programs; for example, the mailman server that the SAtalk list uses adds "X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5" to the mail

[SAtalk] Email list rules

2002-03-02 Thread Matthew Cline
Here's a stab at some rules that attempt to detect messages from mailing lists. "List-Unsubscribe", "X-Original-Date" and "Errors-To" might all be from the same mailing list software, in which case they'd be redundant. # Only look for 7 bit chars between square brackets, becau

Re: [SAtalk] False FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD

2002-03-02 Thread Matthew Cline
OK, I figured it out. It happens when someone uses Yahoo! Mail to send something to Yahoo! Groups. The "received" for Yahoo! Groups looks like: > Received: from [216.115.97.190] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar > 2002 03:35:46 - Here's a patch that should recognize this. Index: