[sage-devel] Joint Meetings

2009-01-03 Thread Jason Grout
So who is planning on be at the Joint Meetings? There are lots of names listed on the AMS Joint Meetings wiki pages at http://wiki.sagemath.org/ams-sage http://wiki.sagemath.org/maa-sage http://wiki.sagemath.org/amsbooth09 but we know that at least some of these names are out of date (i.e.,

[sage-devel] Re: wiki cleanup in general and regarding the spkg pages

2009-01-03 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 3, 3:26 pm, Jason Grout wrote: > mabshoff wrote: > > I would do all the work, but before I go off and do things I figured > > it would be worth it to request feedback. When those two pages are > > done I would then delete the other five pages and as things are > > incorporated into the t

[sage-devel] Re: wiki cleanup in general and regarding the spkg pages

2009-01-03 Thread Jason Grout
mabshoff wrote: > I would do all the work, but before I go off and do things I figured > it would be worth it to request feedback. When those two pages are > done I would then delete the other five pages and as things are > incorporated into the to be written spkgs I would then also delete > most

[sage-devel] wiki cleanup in general and regarding the spkg pages

2009-01-03 Thread mabshoff
Hi, I have been cleaning up the wiki of Spam and unfortunately on occasion I am removing content that isn't spam, i.e. I removed the art page. But fortunately none of the content is lost, so please let me know if anything is missing and I will restore it. The deactivated content isn't deleted, so

[sage-devel] Re: projector or monitor for joint meetings

2009-01-03 Thread mhampton
Probably not, especially for the entire meeting. It looks like I won't be able to obtain one before leaving, unfortunately. -Marshall On Jan 3, 2:33 pm, "David Joyner" wrote: > I wonder if the AMS will let us use a projector from one of the rooms? > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 11:36 AM, mhampton

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.2.3.final released

2009-01-03 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 3 Jan., 17:56, mabshoff wrote: > On Jan 3, 5:47 am, "Georg S. Weber" > wrote: > > Hi, > > > Hi, I've got a crash report, which might be a blocker for 3.2.3: > > Nope, this is not an issue with 3.2.3, but 3.2.2. And this was done on > purpose to catch exactly this issue since it has slipped

[sage-devel] Re: Posting error: sage-devel (fwd)

2009-01-03 Thread Bill Page
Arthur, Thank you very much for replying and thanks also to Tony Hearn for releasing REDUCE as open source. I believe this is a very positive development for all people interested in computer algebra and I fully expect it also to be a significant benefit to the REDUCE project. At the very least,

[sage-devel] Re: projector or monitor for joint meetings

2009-01-03 Thread David Joyner
I wonder if the AMS will let us use a projector from one of the rooms? On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 11:36 AM, mhampton wrote: > > I'm not sure why it didn't occur to me earlier, but it would be nice > to have a portable projector at the joint meetings if anyone can bring > one. Alternatively, if any

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3 patch review for ReST - Sage wants you to help review!

2009-01-03 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 3, 12:09 pm, Jason Grout wrote: > Mike Hansen wrote: > > Hello, > > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:51 AM, mabshoff wrote: > >> +1 > > >> Mike: How does next Thursday sound for you? That way we could announce > >> it in the next 24 hours so that people can start planning things if > >> they

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3 patch review for ReST - Sage wants you to help review!

2009-01-03 Thread Jason Grout
Mike Hansen wrote: > Hello, > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:51 AM, mabshoff wrote: >> +1 >> >> Mike: How does next Thursday sound for you? That way we could announce >> it in the next 24 hours so that people can start planning things if >> they want to attend. > > That sounds good. > Keep in mi

[sage-devel] Re: reduce

2009-01-03 Thread Tim Lahey
On Jan 3, 2009, at 2:55 PM, mabshoff wrote: > > > > On Jan 3, 11:48 am, Tim Lahey wrote: >> On Jan 3, 2009, at 2:43 PM, mabshoff wrote: > > Hi Tim, > >>> Given a choice between Pan-Axiom, Maxima and Reduce for the role of >>> symbolic calculus in Sage these days I personally would pick FriCAS >

[sage-devel] Re: reduce

2009-01-03 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 3, 11:48 am, Tim Lahey wrote: > On Jan 3, 2009, at 2:43 PM, mabshoff wrote: Hi Tim, > > Given a choice between Pan-Axiom, Maxima and Reduce for the role of > > symbolic calculus in Sage these days I personally would pick FriCAS > > over the other choices. But since all of the above do

[sage-devel] Re: reduce

2009-01-03 Thread Tim Lahey
On Jan 3, 2009, at 2:43 PM, mabshoff wrote: > > Given a choice between Pan-Axiom, Maxima and Reduce for the role of > symbolic calculus in Sage these days I personally would pick FriCAS > over the other choices. But since all of the above do not solve the > fundamental problem of using pexpect I

[sage-devel] Re: reduce

2009-01-03 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 3, 11:35 am, Tim Lahey wrote: > On Jan 3, 2009, at 2:31 PM, mabshoff wrote: > > I meant embedding Maxima into a library extensions via ecl. You stated > > to the best of my recollection that this would be troublesome due to > > asksign since there would be the need on occasion by the

[sage-devel] Re: reduce

2009-01-03 Thread Tim Lahey
On Jan 3, 2009, at 2:31 PM, mabshoff wrote: > > > > On Jan 3, 11:27 am, Robert Dodier wrote: >> mabshoff wrote: > > Hi Robert, > >>> Yes, but you can run Maxima on top of ecl, but the issue with >>> asksign >>> for example does not go away. I asked Robert Dodier about it at Dev1 >>> and he se

[sage-devel] Re: reduce

2009-01-03 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 3, 11:27 am, Robert Dodier wrote: > mabshoff wrote: Hi Robert, > > Yes, but you can run Maxima on top of ecl, but the issue with asksign > > for example does not go away. I asked Robert Dodier about it at Dev1 > > and he seemed reluctant about this possibility. > > Hmm, what is "this p

[sage-devel] Re: reduce

2009-01-03 Thread Robert Dodier
mabshoff wrote: > Yes, but you can run Maxima on top of ecl, but the issue with asksign > for example does not go away. I asked Robert Dodier about it at Dev1 > and he seemed reluctant about this possibility. Hmm, what is "this possibility" ? I don't understand. Robert Dodier --~--~-~-

[sage-devel] Bug Day 17: Thursday, January 8th, 2009

2009-01-03 Thread mabshoff
Hello folks, after a little quiet time since November the first Bug Day of 2009 will take place on January 8th, 2009 All the usual rules apply - see http://wiki.sagemath.org/bug17 for details. The main goal of that bug day will be to convert still unconverted files in the Sage library to Re

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3 patch review for ReST - Sage wants you to help review!

2009-01-03 Thread Mike Hansen
Hello, On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 10:51 AM, mabshoff wrote: > +1 > > Mike: How does next Thursday sound for you? That way we could announce > it in the next 24 hours so that people can start planning things if > they want to attend. That sounds good. --Mike --~--~-~--~~~--

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3 patch review for ReST - Sage wants you to help review!

2009-01-03 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 3, 10:32 am, "John Cremona" wrote: > 2009/1/3 mabshoff : > > Well, so far only the files in the documentation have been converted, > > but I am sure those additional files will also be converted by Mike > > once the big rush for 3.3 is over. He did mention at some point that > > maybe

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3 patch review for ReST - Sage wants you to help review!

2009-01-03 Thread John Cremona
2009/1/3 mabshoff : > > > > On Jan 3, 10:00 am, "John Cremona" wrote: >> 2009/1/3 mabshoff : >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jan 3, 9:34 am, "John Cremona" wrote: >> >> > Hi John, >> >> >> A different but related point: where is it decided which source files >> >> are converted into documentation and wh

[sage-devel] Re: reduce

2009-01-03 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 3, 10:05 am, Tim Lahey wrote: > On Jan 3, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Jason Grout wrote: Hi, > > I found at least one answer.  CCL apparently was designed with > > interfacing with C in mind.  That's a great thing. Yes, but you can run Maxima on top of ecl, but the issue with asksign for examp

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3 patch review for ReST - Sage wants you to help review!

2009-01-03 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 3, 10:00 am, "John Cremona" wrote: > 2009/1/3 mabshoff : > > > > > > > On Jan 3, 9:34 am, "John Cremona" wrote: > > > Hi John, > > >> A different but related point:  where is it decided which source files > >> are converted into documentation and which are not?  For example, in > >> the

[sage-devel] Re: reduce

2009-01-03 Thread Tim Lahey
On Jan 3, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > > I found at least one answer. CCL apparently was designed with > interfacing with C in mind. That's a great thing. I wonder if CCL can compile Maxima and if so, how well Maxima runs on it. Cheers, Tim. --~--~-~--~~~

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3 patch review for ReST - Sage wants you to help review!

2009-01-03 Thread John Cremona
2009/1/3 mabshoff : > > > > On Jan 3, 9:34 am, "John Cremona" wrote: > > Hi John, > >> A different but related point: where is it decided which source files >> are converted into documentation and which are not? For example, in >> the hyperelliptic curves section there are several files with al

[sage-devel] Re: reduce

2009-01-03 Thread Jason Grout
Jason Grout wrote: > Bill Page wrote: >> We have previously discussed (about 1 year ago) the possibility of >> implementing a Sage interface for reduce and providing it as an >> optional package like FriCAS, but this did not seem to generate much >> interest at the time. >> >> http://groups.google

[sage-devel] Re: reduce

2009-01-03 Thread Jason Grout
Tim Lahey wrote: > > On Jan 3, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > >> Bill, >> >> It seems that you have more experience with Reduce than most of us >> here. >> How would you generally compare Maxima and Reduce in calculus >> functionality, specifically integration? Can you interface wit

[sage-devel] Re: reduce

2009-01-03 Thread Tim Lahey
On Jan 3, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > > Bill, > > It seems that you have more experience with Reduce than most of us > here. > How would you generally compare Maxima and Reduce in calculus > functionality, specifically integration? Can you interface with > Reduce > on a library

[sage-devel] Re: reduce

2009-01-03 Thread Jason Grout
Bill Page wrote: > We have previously discussed (about 1 year ago) the possibility of > implementing a Sage interface for reduce and providing it as an > optional package like FriCAS, but this did not seem to generate much > interest at the time. > > http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel/msg/

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3 patch review for ReST - Sage wants you to help review!

2009-01-03 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 3, 9:34 am, "John Cremona" wrote: Hi John, > A different but related point:  where is it decided which source files > are converted into documentation and which are not?  For example, in > the hyperelliptic curves section there are several files with almost > nothing in them;  while in

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3 patch review for ReST - Sage wants you to help review!

2009-01-03 Thread John Cremona
A different but related point: where is it decided which source files are converted into documentation and which are not? For example, in the hyperelliptic curves section there are several files with almost nothing in them; while in the elliptic curves section there's nothing from files ell_poi

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.2.3.final released

2009-01-03 Thread John Cremona
Built fine and all tests pass on my 32-bit ubuntu laptop. In particular, Atlas built fine and quickly for the first time ever on this machine (at least, once I realized that setting SAGE_ATLAS_LIB to the empty string was not the same as unsetting it). John 2009/1/3 mabshoff : > > > > On Jan 3,

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3 patch review for ReST - Sage wants you to help review!

2009-01-03 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 3, 9:11 am, "John Cremona" wrote: > 2009/1/3 mabshoff : > Hi John, > > > On Jan 3, 6:44 am, "John Cremona" wrote: > > > HI, > > >> To clarify the answer to Georg's question, to you want reviewers to > >> read the output html and report on anything which looks wrong, or to > >> read th

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3 patch review for ReST - Sage wants you to help review!

2009-01-03 Thread John Cremona
2009/1/3 mabshoff : > > > > On Jan 3, 6:44 am, "John Cremona" wrote: > > HI, > >> To clarify the answer to Georg's question, to you want reviewers to >> read the output html and report on anything which looks wrong, or to >> read the patch (where the markup used is something which would need a >>

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3 patch review for ReST - Sage wants you to help review!

2009-01-03 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 3, 6:44 am, "John Cremona" wrote: HI, > To clarify the answer to Georg's question, to you want reviewers to > read the output html and report on anything which looks wrong, or to > read the patch (where the markup used is something which would need a > reference to be provided). In a

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.2.3.final released

2009-01-03 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 3, 6:14 am, Jaap Spies wrote: > On Fedora 9, 32 bits: > -- > All tests passed! > > Jaap Thanks Jaap, this is pretty much what was expected. Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.2.3.final released

2009-01-03 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 3, 5:47 am, "Georg S. Weber" wrote: Hi, > Hi, I've got a crash report, which might be a blocker for 3.2.3: Nope, this is not an issue with 3.2.3, but 3.2.2. And this was done on purpose to catch exactly this issue since it has slipped by us in releases twice already. > In the course

[sage-devel] Re: reduce

2009-01-03 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 3, 8:48 am, Tim Lahey wrote: > I'm certainly interested in trying things out, but my knowledge of   > Reduce > is only what I've glimpsed in the documentation yesterday (so basically > none) and it has been a long time since I've written any Lisp (nearly > 20 years). > > Cheers, > > T

[sage-devel] Re: reduce

2009-01-03 Thread Tim Lahey
On Jan 3, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Bill Page wrote: > > We have previously discussed (about 1 year ago) the possibility of > implementing a Sage interface for reduce and providing it as an > optional package like FriCAS, but this did not seem to generate much > interest at the time. > > http://groups.

[sage-devel] projector or monitor for joint meetings

2009-01-03 Thread mhampton
I'm not sure why it didn't occur to me earlier, but it would be nice to have a portable projector at the joint meetings if anyone can bring one. Alternatively, if anyone who is driving to the meetings can bring a decent sized flatscreen (i.e. bigger than a typical laptop screen) that would be ter

[sage-devel] Re: reduce

2009-01-03 Thread Bill Page
We have previously discussed (about 1 year ago) the possibility of implementing a Sage interface for reduce and providing it as an optional package like FriCAS, but this did not seem to generate much interest at the time. http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel/msg/faa5479477132cab Reduce is a

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3 patch review for ReST - Sage wants you to help review!

2009-01-03 Thread John Cremona
To clarify the answer to Georg's question, to you want reviewers to read the output html and report on anything which looks wrong, or to read the patch (where the markup used is something which would need a reference to be provided). I am happier to do the former (say for sage,schemes.* in #4926)

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.2.3.final released

2009-01-03 Thread Jaap Spies
mabshoff wrote: > Hello folks, > > Sage 3.2.3.final is out, 3.2.3.rc0 was never announced on the list. [...] > > You can download the sources from > > http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mabshoff/release-cycles-3.2.3/ > > or upgrade to this release via > > ./sage -upgrade > http://sage.

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.2.3.final released

2009-01-03 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi, I've got a crash report, which might be a blocker for 3.2.3: In the course of building and installing 3.2.3.final, an empty file "/ Users/georgweber/.sage/init.sage" was created (I remember having seen the corresponding output line). Now trying to start (the older version) Sage 3.2.2, IPytho

[sage-devel] Re: reduce

2009-01-03 Thread David Joyner
Thanks very much for this info. This is very interesting. At first, I was wondering how this could be possible, as surely reduce would have lots of contributors. The history suggests that Hearn kept the copyright and allowed others the source code if they contributed (basically giving them reduce

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3 patch review for ReST - Sage wants you to help review!

2009-01-03 Thread Georg S. Weber
Drop-dead gorgeous! OK, I think I got the idea. I do have other things to do, but I have the feeling that I just can't resist reading that output and give a review or two. ;-)) Cheers, gsw --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@goog

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3 patch review for ReST - Sage wants you to help review!

2009-01-03 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Mike Hansen wrote: > > Hello, > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Georg S. Weber > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> What is a reviewer of the "sphinxification" tickets #4902 - #4927 >> to do? >> Read only for textual correctness, or do I have to sphinxify it and >> check th

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3 patch review for ReST - Sage wants you to help review!

2009-01-03 Thread Mike Hansen
Hello, On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Georg S. Weber wrote: > > Hi, > > What is a reviewer of the "sphinxification" tickets #4902 - #4927 > to do? > Read only for textual correctness, or do I have to sphinxify it and > check the result? It's the former rather than the latter. It's to check fo

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.2.3.final released

2009-01-03 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi, sorry for the Off-Topic "BTW" question, I moved it to the correct thread. Cheers, gsw --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3 patch review for ReST - Sage wants you to help review!

2009-01-03 Thread Georg S. Weber
Hi, What is a reviewer of the "sphinxification" tickets #4902 - #4927 to do? Read only for textual correctness, or do I have to sphinxify it and check the result? I could the former, but do not yet know how to do the latter --- did I miss something in the wiki, e.g. on http://wiki.sagemath.org/Sp

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.2.3.final released

2009-01-03 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 3 Jan., 08:32, mabshoff wrote: > Hello folks, > > Sage 3.2.3.final is out, 3.2.3.rc0 was never announced on the list. Hi Michael, I had found, downloaded, build and (long-)tested the 3.2.3.rc0 when it was still named "final". Already rock-stable on MacBook Intel Core2Duo with Mac OS X 10.4

[sage-devel] Sage 3.3 patch review for ReST - Sage wants you to help review!

2009-01-03 Thread mabshoff
Hello folks, if you have been reading this list and have not heard about the fact that the ReST transition is coming in Sage 3.3 you must have been not paying attention :) Mike Hansen has been working tirelessly for a while on a giant patch set (as below noted 282 thousand lines of diff, about 8