I never use the Grundfos pumps, but use standard AC deep well pumps, so
long as the inverter can handle it. The off the shelf pumps aren't as
efficient, but stay in the water for much longer. They are also cheaper.
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On 2024-07-11 16:51, Bradley Bassett via RE-wrenches wrote:
An SQF quie
An SQF quiet? I've had three 3 SQF-2 and they are all quite loud, even 300
ft down the well. Maybe the 6 SQF is different. My old 3 SQF-2 will still
pump water but not against much head. I think it failed because it had been
running 24/7 for some time. If the leak is in the well it might even have
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Hi Jay,
It may be cheaper to try to use an interrupt relay to shut off the pump.
Tricky though for solar direct like these. As far as I can tell, Grundfos
tech support doesn't exist.
On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 8:34 AM Bradley Bassett wrote:
> Jay,
>
> As I remember, that is the classic failure mo
Jay,
As I remember, that is the classic failure mode. We used to see it now and
then, more often than we liked. It's why I used to recommend always getting
the extended warranty. And, it can be either the CU200 or the pump itself.
It might also be a corroded connection between the two.
Brad
On T
Yes.
And if that light is on it’s supposed to stop pumping. Even if the float was
bad or maybe the wires were bad, if the cu200 is seeing a full tank signal it’s
supposed to shut off the pump.
And it’s not.
I’ve just never seen this failure mode before.
Jay
> On Feb 24, 2022, at 8:48 PM,
Hi Jay,
Have you ruled out a problem with the float switch/wiring?
On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 5:13 PM jay wrote:
> HI All,
>
> Has anyone seen this failure mode on a Grundfos CU200.
>
> The tank full light is on and it keeps pumping ( green arrows working)
>
> I suspect the CU200 just needs to be
It’s too bad that Lorentz has come and gone a few times.
I do like the architecture with the electronics all at the surface. And that
the old ones had a easy manual speed control.
The property has a sqflex in another well so I’ll just work on some options to
get the flow as close as I can for
Jay,
Lorentz still has two people in texas. I can’t find an active dealer but
they do provide excellent tech support 24/7. I have to buy from a dealer
but the ones that I have called only get one if specified on a new well
they are drilling. They didn’t know much about them.
John B
On Tue, Ju
This one?
> On Jun 15, 2021, at 2:15 PM, jay wrote:
>
> Does anyone have or know where I can get the pump curves with voltages?
>
> I’m trying to limit flow by lowering the voltage, which I know works, but I
> can’t find the output vs voltage charts.
>
> And does anyone know if Lorentz is s
Jay,
Running a Grundfos pump on low voltage also means running it on limited
input power (the current can't/won't exceed a certain amount). It is
easy to end up with a pump that won't operate all of the time, or only
for a limited amount of hours every day. A pump that has a speed control
is
Grundfus used to have flow vs voltage charts per pump
On Tue, Jun 15, 2021, 3:34 PM jay wrote:
> Does anyone have or know where I can get the pump curves with voltages?
>
> I’m trying to limit flow by lowering the voltage, which I know works, but
> I can’t find the output vs voltage charts.
>
>
I have been using this one for too many years. You need more than this
Jay?
https://www.pumpsok.com/sites/pumpsok/uploads/documents/water_systems/flexnew.pdf
My dealer stopped selling Lornetz and not sure why?
Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where powerlines don't"
http://members.sti.net/offgr
Hi all
I'm not looking for the SQFLEX but the SQ.
Thanks
Jay.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 26, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Allan Sindelar wrote:
>
>
> Allan Sindelar
> al...@sindelarsolar.com
> NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
> NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional
> New Mexic
We usually use timer relays so that the pump will only run x minutes out of the
hr, timed so that the well has sufficient time to recharge between pump runs.
Wouldn't artificially increasing the pressure by a restriction valve cause the
pump to use more energy? I have never tried that that was
I have this same situation with my off grid well, I have a grundfos sqf5-2
and the yield wound up being .25 gpm. Originally I ran it on 2- Astronergy
235 and made a timing system using a sprinkler timer and a midnite kid
controller it was tough to control the production as the power varied and
was
Could you use real slow pulse width modulation to do what you want? Are
you trying to limit energy, power or volume delivered? If you've got the
Cu 200, you could put a timer on the float switch contacts that cycle it on
and off.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Maverick Brown
wrote:
> Jay,
>
>
Jay,
Will a Variac work in this situation?
Thank you,
Maverick
> On Jun 30, 2016, at 7:43 PM, jay wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Any trick methods to keep a SQflex running on AC power at a given flow rate
> that is less than full power?
>
> I’ve got a well that is just on 1 gpm, around 150’ lift
I'd suggest a valve restrictor or perhaps a ball valve that you can adjust
over time till you achieve your correct flow rate while making sure your
well is able to recover.
Christopher
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 8:43 PM, jay wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Any trick methods to keep a SQflex running on AC pow
Wrenches
Make an artificial head by a valve to reduce flow on the outlet side, it might
increase watt demand. They will voltage compensate so reducing volts will not
do it. I have to ask why thats a problem anyway, the pump will turn off if the
level gets to low anyway.
Jerry
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Hi Jay,
I’ve put it both close to the pump and the array and never noticed any issues.
Blessings,
Kelly
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707-223-3209
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Electrical Engineer
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installation Professional
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CA El
Agreed, just needs to be somewhere in the system. I have mine mounted next to
the pressure tank in the house. I have also mounted them right at the well top
in a protected space.
Ron
earthRight Solar
> On Apr 9, 2016, at 7:58 PM, Mac Lewis wrote:
>
> Hi Jay,
>
> I think it just needs to be
Hi Jay,
I think it just needs to be somewhere in the system. How far is the total
wire run? I typically put them near the array because the pole is a
convenient mount. The farthest distance I've done was about 800' between
the Cu200 and the pump and it worked fine.
On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 5:30
We have them located close to the array but thats inpart due to the
location, l have several used in tanks not just in the well.
On Apr 9, 2016 10:34 AM, "jay" wrote:
> HI All,
>
> Does anyone know where the CU-200 has to be located?
>
> I’m trying to determine if it matters if the CU200 be close
Awesome responses thank you! And yes I did mix up the IO-101 operating voltage
with the CU200.
So because efficiency is important we’ll keep the CU200 in the system.
Client wants a large pressure tank because of garden irrigation so we're
looking at an 86 gallon model so pump will not cycle a
"If you are not going to be using a PV-direct arrangement, there is not much
advantage in using the Flex pumps."
except efficiency. i have two wells at home and the grundfos sqflex pumps 50'
of additional head at the same flow rate, using 30% less energy as compared to
the standard, 3/4 hp
> From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On
> Behalf Of jay peltz
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 6:37 PM
> To: RE-wrenches
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos SQFlex
>
> Hi Ron
>
> Where did you read that the CU 200 is only good for 12
AEE Solar
-Original Message-
From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On
Behalf Of jay peltz
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 6:37 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos SQFlex
Hi Ron
Where did you read that the CU 200 is only good for 120vac. The ma
: Monday, October 20, 2014 6:37 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos SQFlex
Hi Ron
Where did you read that the CU 200 is only good for 120vac. The manual I see
shows 240vac 50/60hz?
Jay
Peltz power.
> On Oct 20, 2014, at 6:21 PM, "Ron @ earthRight Solar&qu
Hi Ron,
What you describe with using a pressure switch and pressure tank, and just
running the pump with 240 VAC, is fine. You don't need the CU-200 to do
any of that, if all you are doing is switching AC. The diagnostics is
nice, but probably not worth the cost in this kind of simple setup.
One
Hi Ron
Where did you read that the CU 200 is only good for 120vac. The manual I see
shows 240vac 50/60hz?
Jay
Peltz power.
> On Oct 20, 2014, at 6:21 PM, "Ron @ earthRight Solar"
> wrote:
>
> Hello water pumping Wrenches, I have a customer who has a Grundfos SQFlex 11
> pump and he is
Kirpal,
Neither the SQFlex pump nor its accessories are UL listed. That can
lead to some serious difficulties with the AHJ. Fortunately the pump
can operate without any of the accessories -- neither the IO101 nor the
CU200 is required. Murray, Siemens, Square D, and others make 250-Vdc
30-amp
C though but I think it was
> one of the engineers there who I discussed it with.
> Nathan Jones
> Power Source Solar
>
>
> --
> *From:* Allan Sindelar
> *To:* Kirpal Khalsa
> *Cc:* RE-wrenches
> *Sent:* Wed, April 6, 2011 6:28:35 PM
> *
think I know of any of the installs
> around here actually seeing the 240AC though but I think it was one of the
> engineers there who I discussed it with.
> Nathan Jones
> Power Source Solar
>
>
> From: Allan Sindelar
> To: Kirpal Khalsa
> Cc: RE-wrenches
>
Subject:
Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos SQ Flex
Kirpal,
I have never tried to feed 240V to an IO101, so I don't know
the answer. But as the pump takes a maximum of only 950-1100
watts (approximate here, from memory). The u
delar
To: Kirpal Khalsa
Cc: RE-wrenches
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 6:28:35 PM
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos SQ Flex
Kirpal,
I have never tried to feed 240V to an IO101, so I don't know the answer. But as
the pump takes a maximum of only 950-1100 watts (approximate here, from
memory).
Kirpal,
I got the other side of the story from some Grundfos folks at last
fall's SPI and it made sense. The internet PV sellers were all
carrying the SQFlex at discounted prices and selling the pumps to
anyone with a valid credit card. As we all know, most internet sale
Kirpal,
I have never tried to feed 240V to an IO101, so I don't know the
answer. But as the pump takes a maximum of only 950-1100 watts
(approximate here, from memory). The usual reason for adding an
IO101 is to allow a portable generator to back up a PV array during
Allan.According to the IO101 literature it is rated at upto
265VAC..however in all its wiring "drawings" it only shows one hot, one
neutral and a ground!?? I am puzzled.?
Kirpal
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Allan Sindelar <
al...@positiveenergysolar.com> wrote:
> Kirpal,
> I belie
Danathat is exactly the problembecause of the business model
grundfos has chosen it makes more sense to have a pump guy install and sell
the pump and we will install the solarhowevernone of the local pump
guys have any experience with the SQFlex pumps and have no idea how they
opera
No tech support - This is why they have stopped selling to
almost everyone but pump installers and AEE.
I have lost all other suppliers on the GF Sq flex.
T/G that at least AEE sells this item still.
Can AEE help? Or whomever sold it to you?
Dana Orzel
Great Solar Works, Inc
E - d...@s
Kirpal,
I believe that the IO101 is only designed to accept 120VAC, not 240.
The supplied AC pigtail is 15A 120V, and it uses a contactor, which
would be a specific voltage only. Unless I'm mistaken, you don't
want to supply 220 (240) VAC.
I don't have answers f
Kirpal,
I have several of these units operating with pressure tanks with no problems
there. Glad to see the pressure swich being used as disconnect. We have had
multiple installs where the CU200 command to stop pumping was ignored by the
pump and pressure relief protection saved the day. The DC
Kirpal,
Although I can't answer your IO101 question, I can tell you that the
SQ Flex operates nicely for us
when used with a pressure tank/ pressure switch. As long as the pump
and PV power source are
sized to accommodate the additional vertical lift caused by
Wrenches,
I had a very interesting phone conversation a couple of days ago
with the southwest regional sales manager for Grundfos. I had called
with a troubleshooting question that he addressed competently. But
then he told me that a couple of years ago Grundfos decided
I'm having much better luck with Lorentz than Grundfos for several years now.
My 1st choice is always Lorentz now. Easy to field service and I love the
controls on the wall and out of the well. Dislike no AC-DC swapping and
narrower V window and the need for 6 wires down the hole. Good prices
Mike Nelson
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 10:07 AM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos
[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Nelson
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 10:07 AM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos
Doug,
Thanks for the feedback. I have to install the mon
ilto:
> re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Nelson
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 06, 2010 10:07 AM
>
> *To:* RE-wrenches
> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos
>
> Doug,
> Thanks for the feedback. I have to install the monoflo, because it was
> purch
bject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos
Gary,
Any chance that the pumping system is off during the winter?
Kent Osterberg
Blue Mountain Solar
Gary Gordon at SYV Solar wrote:
Wrenches,
More details on the Grundfos failures:
1st failure 11 SQF-2 w/ 204ft TDH
Kent,
It would only be off if the tanks were full. Why?
Gary
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Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 4:58 PM
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g...@syvsolar.com
From:
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[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Mike
Nelson
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 10:07 AM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos
Doug,
Thanks for the feedback. I
, 2010 10:07 AM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos
Doug,
Thanks for the feedback. I have to install the monoflo, because it was
purchased 2 summers ago, but the customer didn't have the site work done to
install the pump. This summer the site work was finished and no
-wrenches.org [mailto:
> re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Nelson
> *Sent:* Friday, November 05, 2010 5:37 PM
> *To:* RE-wrenches
> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos
>
>
>
> I have also installed several Grundfos SQ Flex submersible well pumps, and
ly on the
surface (the CU200 control).
Doug Pratt
DC Power Systems
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[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Mike Nelson
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 5:37 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundf
Solar
From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Mike
Nelson
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 8:37 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos
I have also installed several Grundfos SQ Flex submersible well pumps,
an
I have also installed several Grundfos SQ Flex submersible well pumps, and
had trouble with them, primarily with the control systems, the low water
shut off sensor has failed on several pumps, and the CU200 control boxes
have failed. The pumps themselves have held up so far, and seem to be very
eff
hultze
> *Sent:* Monday, August 23, 2010 6:45 PM
> *To:* RE-wrenches
> *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos SQ Flex Float Switch
>
>
>
> Hiya Kirpal,
>
> They are just signal wires from the CU200.
>
> Cheers, Bob-O
>
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Kir
Hiya Kirpal,
They are just signal wires from the CU200.
Cheers, Bob-O
On Aug 23, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Kirpal Khalsa wrote:
Hi All.I can't find it in any of the manuals for grundfos.does anyone
know if the wiring to the float switch carries current or not. The float
switch has 3 #14AWG wir
The Grundfos switch is voltage only. I'm not sure I would run it 700 ft or not,
regardless. For that distance I would probably install a float switch in the
discharge tank that shut off the inlet flow and backed water pressure down the
pipe to a pressure switch located close to the pump. As the
Kirpal,
If you use 18/2 shielded tray cable (with all the proper insulation
ratings of course) you can
run that for thousands of feet. 700' is about our average run on the
majority of our pump
systems and it works well for us.
My wire is by Omni, part
Kirpal,
For the occasional odd high-current DC contactor, I like MDI. They made
the mercury displacement contactors used years ago in the Ananda/APT
Powercenters. Check out http://www.mdius.com/relays.php#High_Voltage to
see if they have anything you can use.
Allan
t: Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos SQ FLEX AC/DC auto switching
Hi Allthanks for the good feedback on this water pumping system. Many good
ideasIt looks like this is a system which can be done. I will be looking
for a relay that will have the necessary voltage characteristics which will
>
> Mark Dickson,
>
> NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer ™
>
> Oasis Montana Inc.
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:
> re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Allan Sindelar
>
Mark,
Your message gave me pause, as I just last week specified this setup,
so I checked into it with our Grundfos rep. He said he had never heard
anything recommending against the flex in a pressure system. He said
the SQF doesn't know the difference between 40 psi and 100' of head. At
the end
Kirpal,
None of the SQFlex equipment is UL listed. You may find that your AHJ
won't approve any of the SQFlex controls and possibly not even the pump.
Kent Osterberg
Blue Mountain Solar
Kirpal Khalsa wrote:
Hi Folks.I am working on putting together a domestic
water pumping system using
Kirpal,
Lots of good suggestions so far here, but here's my take:
Unless there is a very high water need during the daytime hours, most of the
time the PV array will be sitting there just doing nothing, which is what
happens in most pressure systems. You would be better off just using an AC pum
Good points, Allan & Ray~
I think Rays caveats can be mitigated depending on the wattage of the
solar module relative to what the coil requires. If the 17v solar
module is somewhat oversized it will run closer to its open circuit
voltage which would make it more likely that a 24v relay coil would
I think you're going to have trouble with the array direct to the relay coil. a
12 v relay may burn long term, as suspected, but the 24 v relay probably won't
close reliably at the lower voltage.
R. Walters
r...@solarray.com
Solar Engineer
On May 20, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Mick Abraham wrote:
>
I believe Allan's suggestion won't work because the utility AC is
present so the system cannot use PV unless there's a grid
blackout on a sunny day.
Dan's suggestion sounds more likely: a "double pole double throw" DPDT
relay which requires DC for the coil.
Consider devoting a small 17v PV modul
Kirpal,
I did this about 5 years ago, on an array-direct irrigation pump with
the ability for the client to run a generator when needed. Yes, it's
all automatic, and no additional relay is needed. When the IO101 senses
AC it automatically closes a contactor - AC coil, NO is the AC, NC is
the PV
Could be as simple as installing a DC relay of appropriate coil voltage and
contact configuration & ratings. Then, use the PV to power the relay and the
contacts to select your preferred power source. The necessary hysteresis
inherent in relays would be present. Select a relay for the environ
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