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> From: David Estes
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> Subject: [RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
>
> Uhmmm, Lesli, now is the time to chime in...
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Dave Craig wrote:
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From: David Estes
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:31 pm
Subject: [RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
Uhmmm, Lesli, now is the time to chime in...
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Dave Craig wrote:
I wonder wh
With the Nitto big rear rack, I think my Atlantis is ready to haul
anything. The last printer we had that died went to the e-recycling
yard strapped to the Nitto. It's kinda funny because they have a big
sign that says "Stay in your car" and they want to unload the stuff
for you. Another time I
I submit the following as evidence that the Atlantis can really do it
all:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28720...@n02/3054501471/in/set-72157609908249398/
IIRC, he has 3 sets of wheels: A standard touring set for most of his
riding; a set for the big honkin' snow tires (yes, you can fill in the
Speaking of a bike to get groceries on . . .
While I don't really consider it an all-rounder, I thought I'd put a
plug in for my Surly Big Dummy as the ultimate grocery/town bike. My
touring bike(s) pale in comparison.
Using cloth grocery bags, I regularly use the BD in an absurd "semi-
truck" c
Ian's an inspiring rider -- you can see his bikes here:
http://www.bikebrothers.co.uk/ih_touringbikes.htm
Most of his bikes had racks custom built as part of the frame. He used
a Pletscher on one of his bikes, but it had reinforcing stays and
burly mounts.
Jim M
WC CA
On Sep 10, 6:34 am, Jim Th
> I recall reading that he used one of those flimsy Pletscher racks.
I like Pletscher racks and have one, but do not have a bike it will
fit on well. Grant for a while was trying to source an adapter to fit
the pletscher on bikes with seat stay rack mount braze-ons. Appears
as though he could
Ian Hibell rode his bicycle all over the world under the most
difficult conditions imaginable (I was lucky to read his book before
it became unattainably expensive). I recall reading that he used one
of those flimsy Pletscher racks.
One of my Saturday morning shop ride regulars is sitting at 487,
> Aha, but (breaking in to his Inspector Closeau voice) you 'ave not tried ze
> trash can pannier! Nozzing better. Baskets! Bah! Porteur racks! Pffft! (Back
> to his rational voice): four paper grocery sacks per load. Try *that* in you
> Wald Newsboy.
Very well (and amusingly) put. I will readil
Well I guess one bike might fill my needs but I don't think it would
take care of my desires.
;>)
-JimD
On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Chilli wrote:
>
> I had at one time felt as though there was something that would fill
> all my cycling needs, but I have long since abandoned that ide
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:12 PM, JoelMatthews wrote:
I give this
one to Joel. No peer-reviewed research, though, Just one individual's
biased prejudice.
> Certainly it is possible to get groceries, do errands with a tourer.
> I says as much. But as I say also, it is a lot easier to do errands
A coupla points. First, when getting back into riding, actually hoped
at the time to be a "one bike" person. That didn't last too long. If
only one, at least for me, here in MN, it would mean no winter
riding. Salt has a way of wreaking havoc on a bike frame. Let alone
bike parts.
As to lock
I own four bikes, my wife has three and we have two tandems. Any one of
my bikes could easily be the only bike I owned and I'd be just fine.
The best compromise of the bunch would be (appropriately enough) my 1996
All-Rounder. It is well suited to every type of riding I do.
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The best things about this thread are all the intellectual
justifications for multiple bikes. That and the idea that I'm not
alone in possessing a flock.
Esteban
San Diego, Calif.
On Sep 9, 1:54 pm, cm wrote:
> I could easily (and have in the past) have one bike. Though I do have
> a few of th
I could easily (and have in the past) have one bike. Though I do have
a few of them (7ish) now. But, I also tend to ride one exclusively for
a few months and then suddenly change to the next one for the next few
moths. The one perfect bike? The one that does what you want it to do
the best while d
> You don't lock nice bikes outside.
While I certainly do not lock my nice bikes outside all day while at
work or overnight, I have no problem locking them outside while I am
in a grocery store, restaurant, or at the movies.
On Sep 9, 12:48 am, Fai Mao wrote:
> Yesterday I said that the all-Rou
Nice collection of bikes. I think an Atlantis would be the perfect addition.
Then you would not need or want any more bikes :)Jim D.
Massachusetts
--- On Tue, 9/8/09, thalasin wrote:
From: thalasin
Subject: [RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
To: "RBW Owners
> This is just rubbish, as I said earlier I really only ride my Atlantis
> and it is set up for fully loaded self contained long distance touring
> - I rode most of the West Coast this summer. I also ride it around
> town, get groceries, do centuries, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Certainly it is possibl
on 9/9/09 10:13 AM, Robert Kirkpatrick at spiralc...@gmail.com wrote:
> Lot of presumptions in this thread that seem unnecessary. Face it some
> people could live with one bicycle. If you can't or don't want to, who
> cares?
Now, now... The purpose of this list is enable our Riv-addiction in a s
> Lot of presumptions in this thread that seem unnecessary. Face it some
> people could live with one bicycle. If you can't or don't want to, who
> cares?
Uh, maybe the 50-odd folks who posted to the thread thus far?
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On Sep 9, 2009, at 10:01 AM, JoelMatthews wrote:
> Bikes set up to handle self-supported touring are not really
> the best choice for riding around town or - this is just speculation
> as I do not race (but well informed speculation as I know all to well
> the speeds I cannot reach on a touring
I had at one time felt as though there was something that would fill
all my cycling needs, but I have long since abandoned that idea.
There are more reasons to have a lot of bikes than there are reasons
to have just one, and if they all get used and help supersede trips-by-
car, then as far as I'm
When I met my girlfriend, she owned probably about 20+ bicycles. She
had two Fat Chances, a Surly Cross Check (one of the first ones, I
think), a Schwinn Spitfire, some road bikes, Schwinn Fiesta cruiser,
and several other bikes that she'd found at yard sales. The bikes
lived in her basement a
Gosh, isn't asking a bunch of bike nuts if they could get by with one
bike about like asking Carrie Underwood (the main character on the
"Sex and the City" television program) if she could get by with only
one pair of Manolo Blahnik shoes? I do, by the way, have more than
one bike so I'm just say
Okay, I'll bite on giving the female perspective. I've been debating
the myth of the all-rounder of late myself. Still, not quite what
you're asking.
I have 7 bikes, most of them see regular action. Most of my riding is
of the commute variety, and for that I mostly ride fixed gears. I
have a
Yesterday I said that the all-Rounder breaks down if you use a bike for a
specific pupose like triathlon. I'd add to that today that everyone who uses
a bike for more than recreation needs a cheap bike. If my Sam is out side
then either my butt or hand is on the saddle. You don't lock nice bikes
ou
How ironic! This past Sunday I was out on my nearly-new Bleriot
thinking, "You know, I just love this bike. It's really time for me to
sell/give away all the others and simplify my life (and storage
issues)." And up pops this discussion. Now I'm waffling again. I've
got 8 bikes right now, but I
It's funny, if I go out on my Hilsen I always end up thinking "This is
really the only bike I need." But then I'll go for a ride on my
Rambouillet and think "I sure am glad I have this bike too." as it
feels just a little more lively. I also have my Surly CC which I
commute on daily. The Surly has
I agree that it depends on the cyclist's willingness to tolerate
shortcomings in an AR and that that willingness is probably going to
depend on how specialized your activity is.
I tend to think of bike utility as overlapping venn diagrams; there
are areas in which more than one bike is going to w
Didn't have time to read the full thread, but here is my two-cents.
I often look at the bikes in my stable and wonder if I had to sell
them and retain one, which would it be. It would be a toss up between
my Co-Mo Norwester, or my AHH.
The AHH would probably win out, especially if I had couplers
> I have four bikes I regularly use: the Atlantis set up for touring
Anne, you beat me to the punch. I was going to say bike touring women
I meet while out touring myself typically have a touring specific
bike. Bikes set up to handle self-supported touring are not really
the best choice for rid
Hello Anne Paulson, please email me off group at akesl...@pacific.nett about
wanting a Bike Friday. I have a couple, Steve
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From: Anne Paulson
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 7:12 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: The myth of
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 20:27, JL wrote:
> Has
> anyone been able to achieve a one-bike-for-everything-I-need goal? I
> think part of the situation is that with enthusiasts of anything the
> line between need and want gets blurry.
Every time I'm about to start my ride and I discover that a tire
my magic number the past few years has been seven. When people gasp I
tell them "one for each day of the week". After a mini-purge I'm soon
to be down to 5 ...but I have another on the way (I'll share it when I
get it). I've kind of got the vintage bug so when I see an old beauty
I've been cove
I like the idea of one bike but it doesn't work for me. I ride my QB
and my Legolas off-road as a fun change of pace, but if I really want
to go fast on technical trails, I take a mountain bike. I have the
same issue with fiddles and mandolins, though at this point, I'm
pretty content with about 4
Good one Ryan W I have seen that video and that is a bit more than I
had in mind but you gotta hand it to Japan for making such a cool
public bike storage machine.
Eric D
"Time to fire up the iPod and crack open a beer."
Love it, that is going to be my new shop motto.
For the record I have a
I guess if I had to, I could get by with 'just' my Riv Custom.
I find I ride it most of all and other bikes languish.
The 650b Saluki gets dusted off and ridden now and then.
The MCRB sits forlornly in the corner.
In the meantime I'm pondering how I might be able to wrangle a Roadeo.
I guess car
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> So I guess I'm not a typical woman, then.
>
I think it's good to not be a typical anything :)
I'm a little envious of you having two atlantises
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On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Dave Craig wrote:
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>
> As I consider my female bicycling buddies, students and acquaintences,
> I realize that none of them have more than two bikes and that most
> have just one.
>
>
I have four bikes I regularly use: the Atlantis set up for touring, the
crappy
On Sep 7, 2009, at 11:14, RoadieRyan wrote:
>
> Interesting I have always had this dream that goes in the opposite
> direction, essentially an over sized automatic tie rack but for
> bikes. I could press a button an slowly rotate thru the bikes..hmm is
> today a commuter, cross, IGH townie, l
bject: [RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
My impression is that women generally simply are not as interested in
equipment as men are.
IBobwomen: is that true?
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Eric Daume wrote:
Tinkering is a good point. Of my five bikes, it seems that one or t
My impression is that women generally simply are not as interested in
equipment as men are.
IBobwomen: is that true?
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Eric Daume wrote:
> Tinkering is a good point. Of my five bikes, it seems that one or two of
> them are down for "service" at any given time. And s
Tinkering is a good point. Of my five bikes, it seems that one or two of
them are down for "service" at any given time. And sometimes I just
completely swap two or three bikes' functions: "Hmm, the Crosscheck would
really make a better single speed instead of a commuter, and the Gunnar a
better com
Uhmmm, Lesli, now is the time to chime in...
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Dave Craig wrote:
>
>
> I wonder what we'd find if this question were answered by women. None
> have responded thusfar to this thread. ARE there any female members of
> this group??
>
>
>
> As I consider my female bi
Dave makes a great point. My wife has just one bike. In fact, that's
all she claims she wants. Sure there might be occasional lust for
getting a folder, but then it passes as we don't travel that much.
She also made an interesting comment to me this weekend about bikes.
She is an "off the shel
Doug has presented an interesting issue.
I wonder what we'd find if this question were answered by women. None
have responded thusfar to this thread. ARE there any female members of
this group??
My wife, who is a lifelong rider and who rides quite a lot, is quite
content with just two bikes - a
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 4:12 PM, William
Henderson wrote:
>
> Yes, Atlantis.
>
> wc.
>
When I bought an atlantis this was my goal. One bike to rule them all.
I bought davinci splitters for fast-swap of the stem/bars/etc. That's
all well fine and good. One day I had a flat tire when I came out one
Yes, Atlantis.
wc.
On Sep 6, 8:27 pm, JL wrote:
> I have always had a difficult time owning just one bicycle. It seems
> that no matter how many times I imagine the most ideal bicycle model
> and setup I change my mind after a few weeks or months and alter the
> setup. My solution to this is
Gofast (fixed): light and geared slightly higher at 75".
Commuter: almost identical to #1, but with fenders, rack and panniers,
lights, and geared at 69". Why not commute on the best?
Grocery and errand beater: for heavier loads or for locking up outside in
dubious areas; otherwise, a very nice-ri
I have room for four bicycles in the shed, which helps me keep the
number under control. The current collection is a custom Riv All-
Rounder, a Brookstone MB-1, a BSA 3-speed and my old mid 70's Ron
Kitching that I plan to convert to 650B. My wife, who rides more than
I do, has never owned
Yes - why would anyone want only one bike? They're wonderful!
When I think of my bicycles, I think of purpose: camping/touring; fast
road riding; long distance; commuting/grocery-getting child hauler;
off-road/knobbies; single-speeding... I suppose my Quickbeam can do
all those things. That's a
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:49 PM, cm wrote:
>The issue is whether or not the cyclist is happy with that level of
>performance.
Exactly. For me, racing cyclocross on a touring bike, or doing an epic
technical mountain ride in the Sierras on an "AR" bike isn't
acceptable. I could get through those
Where the AR type bike also breaks down is if you use a bike for a
specialized type activity.
A ddownhill bicycle and one for triathlon specific frame come to mind. My
tri-specific frame is beyond even the MCFB bikes that you see everywhere and
it is a steel frame. It was just hugely faster in a tr
One doesn't putt with a driver . . .
I've ridden all three of my "all-rounder" Riv's in less than 24 hours.
Last night, I wore a suit and tie and rode my bike to a wedding. I've
only got one tie, one suit, and one nice pair of shoes, but I had to
think for a moment before I chose which bike to ri
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 10:27 PM, JL wrote:
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> I have always had a difficult time owning just one bicycle. It seems
> that no matter how many times I imagine the most ideal bicycle model
> and setup I change my mind after a few weeks or months and alter the
> setup. My solution to this is to hav
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 4:49 PM, cm wrote:
>
> In my experience, the one-bike-for-everything bike is more in the head
> of the bike owner than the bike itself. The reality is that almost
> every bike is capable of doing (almost) everything. The issue is
> whether or not the cyclist is happy with t
That was pretty much the topic of self-congratulatory conversation during
yesterday's SoCal ride. :-)
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:49 PM, cm wrote:
>
> In my experience, the one-bike-for-everything bike is more in the head
> of the bike owner than the bike itself. The reality is that almost
> every
With all the fires here in SoCal, I actually have a bike rescue plan in
place. Don't get me wrong, there's a family rescue plan as well. You can
have several plans you know.
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Dave Craig wrote:
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> One of the most interesting threads we've had . . .
>
> I've gra
You could have an Atlantis as a back up to your Atlantis!
Grant should just start sending me bonus money for all the business I send
his way!
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Robert Kirkpatrick wrote:
>
> I don't really think its a myth at all, though I guess really you
> aren't talking about th
PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> I don't think the all-rounder bike is a myth. I believe that there
> are plenty of bikes that could cover the different types of riding I
> do. The problem is that I want ten of those bikes.
LOL! Point.
I have found that my all-rounder is... my All-Rounder. If you held
In my experience, the one-bike-for-everything bike is more in the head
of the bike owner than the bike itself. The reality is that almost
every bike is capable of doing (almost) everything. The issue is
whether or not the cyclist is happy with that level of performance.
You can ride on the road, c
The solution to this is to do as my brother does, and own up to 80 bicycles
but never pay more than $100 for any one; his average is probably more like
$50. So, $5K, that's the price of a top line, decked out Riv.
Among his keepers (since most flow through his garage almost like
Heraclitus's river)
I have two bikes right now, a loaded tourer and a commuter. Arguably,
one bike could handle both jobs, but I've not been able to get it
right.
The touring bike has Tubus racks, built to hold panniers tight and
low. Ortlieb and a few other companies make a grocery bag that works
well, but not a
One of the most interesting threads we've had . . .
I've grappled with the larger concepts of consumerism and voluntary
simplicity for much of my adult life. Spend any time in the developing
world and it's hard not to question why one really *needs* more than
one bike - let alone even one Rivend
I don't really think its a myth at all, though I guess really you
aren't talking about the bicycle. Using myself as an example I own
two bicycles, my Atlantis which I ride exclusively and then my old
Novara Safari (another all-rounder type) which I ride only if my
Atlantis is in the shop
No, it makes total sense to me.
Bill
In a message dated 9/7/2009 1:14:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rya...@hotmail.com writes:
I could press a button an slowly rotate thru the bikes..hmm is
today a commuter, cross, IGH townie, light steel Italian racer, or
should I just take the Bleriot
I don't think the all-rounder bike is a myth. I believe that there
are plenty of bikes that could cover the different types of riding I
do. The problem is that I want ten of those bikes.
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Interesting I have always had this dream that goes in the opposite
direction, essentially an over sized automatic tie rack but for
bikes. I could press a button an slowly rotate thru the bikes..hmm is
today a commuter, cross, IGH townie, light steel Italian racer, or
should I just take the Blerio
And you rode your mountain bike in the mountains yesterday (but with slicks
just for kicks)!
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:48 AM, doug peterson wrote:
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> Since getting an Atlantis in early 03, that's been my ride for 99% of
> my mileage. I bought it for touring and liked the fit, ride, etc,
> that
Since getting an Atlantis in early 03, that's been my ride for 99% of
my mileage. I bought it for touring and liked the fit, ride, etc,
that I just didn't ride my other bikes, and don't do much fiddling
with it. It's overkill for utility riding and I am selective in where
I'll lock it up. Recen
For many years I had two bikes--a mountain bike and a road bike. I
pretty much used the road bike for commuting and was fortunate that it
never got stolen while locked up outside of bookstores and cafes.
There were times when I was worried that someone would pop off the
stem, cut the cables and wa
I could do it if I had to, and have an All-Rounder for just that reason.
It's basically a Hilsen with cantis and fancy paint. I have two wheelsets
for it, a 36h Phil with knobbies to turn it into a mtn. bike, and 32h
Dura-Ace (spaced to 135mm) with 35mm Paselas for everything else. I could
get a
I used to feel a little guilty owning five fully functional bicycles
and approximately a dozen more in various stages of disassembly.
My "parts bikes" are mostly used junk but I can and do use them for
parts from time to time. Most of my complete bikes are old stuff from
the 80's except for a newe
No, haven't been able to do that. And not sure I'd want to. For a
few simple reasons. First off, the weather here in Minnesota isn't
consistently nice. So having a bike I don't really care that much
about for bad weather riding (aka winter) is a good luxury. Then
there's travel. Nice to have
With my wannabe minimalist leanings, I kind of daydream about one bike, but
I think I would spend too much time changing parts around: different tires
for mountain biking, fenders for a rainy ride, a rack for a shopping trip,
etc. Realistically, I'm just trying to get down to a core three (from fiv
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