On Sep 9, 2009, at 10:01 AM, JoelMatthews wrote:

>  Bikes set up to handle self-supported touring are not really
> the best choice for riding around town or - this is just speculation
> as I do not race (but well informed speculation as I know all to well
> the speeds I cannot reach on a touring mule) - for riding in club and
> other spirited recreational riding.

This is just rubbish, as I said earlier I really only ride my Atlantis  
and it is set up for fully loaded self contained long distance touring  
- I rode most of the West Coast this summer.  I also ride it around  
town, get groceries, do centuries, yadda, yadda, yadda.


> Arguably you could set up a bike with the Nitto big front rack with
> panniers on tour and basket for commuting duty.  But the Nitto rack is
> not as good for distance touring as Tubus Tara or the Bruce Gordon
> Front Rack.
>

Really? Based on what do you claim these racks are better or not?  
Let's see your peer reviewed studies. In my research I found the Nitto  
rack to be just as good if not better then either of those options.  
The BG I'd get but as an experienced tourer I'd never get the Tubus  
racks.

Lot of presumptions in this thread that seem unnecessary. Face it some  
people could live with one bicycle. If you can't or don't want to, who  
cares?

-Robert

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