> This is just rubbish, as I said earlier I really only ride my Atlantis
> and it is set up for fully loaded self contained long distance touring
> - I rode most of the West Coast this summer.  I also ride it around
> town, get groceries, do centuries, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Certainly it is possible to get groceries, do errands with a tourer.
I says as much.  But as I say also, it is a lot easier to do errands
with a top of rack basket or, as I do with my city bike, a bag on top
of a porteur rack.  Bending down to pull off side mount panniers,
opening up and sealing roll down panniers, loading panniers with
groceries when they were really designed for carrying clothes and
gears - bread - avocados and soft fruit especially are frequent
victims when I use the touring bike for groceries.

As for doing centuries - I find all measured cycling a bore, and do
not bother.  Presumably most people who do centuries do so in a spirit
of competition with like minded cyclists.  Sure, you can ride 100
miles on an Atlantis.  I have ridden up to 150 miles per day on my
touring bike.  Touring bikes are not going to do a century as fast as
a bike designed for more spirited riding.

> Really? Based on what do you claim these racks are better or not?
> Let's see your peer reviewed studies. In my research I found the Nitto
> rack to be just as good if not better then either of those options.
> The BG I'd get but as an experienced tourer I'd never get the Tubus
> racks.

So your opinion about the Nitto rack is better than mine?  In mine,
and other opinions I have seen on touring web sites, the Nitto is a
compromised design.

I, like thousands of experienced tourers use Tubus racks.  They are
wonderful, solid, and work very well with both Ortlieb and Arkel
mounting systems.

On Sep 9, 12:13 pm, Robert Kirkpatrick <spiralc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 9, 2009, at 10:01 AM, JoelMatthews wrote:
>
> >  Bikes set up to handle self-supported touring are not really
> > the best choice for riding around town or - this is just speculation
> > as I do not race (but well informed speculation as I know all to well
> > the speeds I cannot reach on a touring mule) - for riding in club and
> > other spirited recreational riding.
>
> This is just rubbish, as I said earlier I really only ride my Atlantis  
> and it is set up for fully loaded self contained long distance touring  
> - I rode most of the West Coast this summer.  I also ride it around  
> town, get groceries, do centuries, yadda, yadda, yadda.
>
> > Arguably you could set up a bike with the Nitto big front rack with
> > panniers on tour and basket for commuting duty.  But the Nitto rack is
> > not as good for distance touring as Tubus Tara or the Bruce Gordon
> > Front Rack.
>
> Really? Based on what do you claim these racks are better or not?  
> Let's see your peer reviewed studies. In my research I found the Nitto  
> rack to be just as good if not better then either of those options.  
> The BG I'd get but as an experienced tourer I'd never get the Tubus  
> racks.
>
> Lot of presumptions in this thread that seem unnecessary. Face it some  
> people could live with one bicycle. If you can't or don't want to, who  
> cares?
>
> -Robert
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