> Aha, but (breaking in to his Inspector Closeau voice) you 'ave not tried ze
> trash can pannier! Nozzing better. Baskets! Bah! Porteur racks! Pffft! (Back
> to his rational voice): four paper grocery sacks per load. Try *that* in you
> Wald Newsboy.

Very well (and amusingly) put.  I will readily concede as a single
person, my concept of carrying groceries is probably far less than
that of many other people!

On Sep 9, 6:47 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:12 PM, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> I give this
> one to Joel. No peer-reviewed research, though, Just one individual's
> biased prejudice.
>
> > Certainly it is possible to get groceries, do errands with a tourer.
> > I says as much.  But as I say also, it is a lot easier to do errands
> > with a top of rack basket or, as I do with my city bike, a bag on top
> > of a porteur rack.
>
> Aha, but (breaking in to his Inspector Closeau voice) you 'ave not tried ze
> trash can pannier! Nozzing better. Baskets! Bah! Porteur racks! Pffft! (Back
> to his rational voice): four paper grocery sacks per load. Try *that* in you
> Wald Newsboy.
>
> > Bending down to pull off side mount panniers,
> > opening up and sealing roll down panniers, loading panniers with
> > groceries when they were really designed for carrying clothes and
> > gears - bread - avocados and soft fruit especially are frequent
> > victims when I use the touring bike for groceries.
>
> > As for doing centuries - I find all measured cycling a bore, and do
> > not bother.  Presumably most people who do centuries do so in a spirit
> > of competition with like minded cyclists.  Sure, you can ride 100
> > miles on an Atlantis.  I have ridden up to 150 miles per day on my
> > touring bike.  Touring bikes are not going to do a century as fast as
> > a bike designed for more spirited riding.
>
> I have neither toured nor done a century, so I am fully able to give a
> biased and useless opinion: that makes sense to me.
>
>
>
> > > Really? Based on what do you claim these racks are better or not?
> > > Let's see your peer reviewed studies. In my research I found the Nitto
> > > rack to be just as good if not better then either of those options.
> > > The BG I'd get but as an experienced tourer I'd never get the Tubus
> > > racks.
>
> > So your opinion about the Nitto rack is better than mine?  In mine,
> > and other opinions I have seen on touring web sites, the Nitto is a
> > compromised design.
>
> > I, like thousands of experienced tourers use Tubus racks.  They are
> > wonderful, solid, and work very well with both Ortlieb and Arkel
> > mounting systems.
>
> Ah, the Tubus Fly! 12 oz for a 45 lb load. Mmmmmm ...
>
>
>
> --
> Patrick Moore
> Albuquerque, NM
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