Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

That setup is Crocodile Dundee-worthy: "Now /that/ is a spacer..." On 01/03/2016 04:39 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Not much to add here, but did anyone say spacers? Here's how I achieved an acceptable fender line on my Bike Friday. The kickstand plate had a threaded bore for a fender mount but yo

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

Not much to add here, but did anyone say spacers? Here's how I achieved an acceptable fender line on my Bike Friday. The kickstand plate had a threaded bore for a fender mount but you could park a Cadillac in the space between it and the fender. Anton velolumino.com

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

Since the curved stays were already a kind of kludge thing, it's kind of hard to call this whole hole thing a design or production flaw. I realize it may be a case of semantics, but understandable oversight seems about right. The issue I see with the wedge solution is, as mentioned by Keith, mi

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 1:40:10 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > Especially where there's this much clearance. But on the Clem, the > unique curve of the stays means that the hole is not actually pointing at > the center of the axle, so it looks like it would either require a w

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

After 3-4 years of statewide "extreme" drought, NM has pretty much recovered over the last 2 years, and this winter in particular has been wet, at least by the standards of a city with average citywide rainfall of 9" per annum (it ranges from 5" on the west mesa to 14" at the foothills). Last Satur

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

Awesome. That is a true "hack."Does that mean that you've actually been getting rain and snow in the desert this winter? I've been meaning to tell you how impressed I am with the way you've figured out and dialed-in that bike already. I've been riding one or more bontragers continuously

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

On 12/30/2015 07:09 PM, iamkeith wrote: On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 4:48:31 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: ??? The "napkin rings" were the cast reinforcements at the top and bottom of the headtubes, which have recessed lettering. Together, they were supposed to say "RBW -

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 4:48:31 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > ??? > > The "napkin rings" were the cast reinforcements at the top and bottom of the headtubes, which have recessed lettering. Together, they were supposed to say "RBW - EST 1994" but the production versions en

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

On 12/30/2015 06:32 PM, iamkeith wrote: I think that's a good idea too!. I'll try it. You are definitely visualizing the problem anyway. Meanwhile, you bring up a question I've had: I don't want to "complain" at all. I'm not unhappy. But, being a distant mail-order-only customer, I ha

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

I see. That wasn't at all clear in the other photos, but it is here. On 12/30/2015 06:23 PM, iamkeith wrote: The boss on the underside of the brace is threaded. But it is NOT at a right angle to the face of the fender, where it wants to be.Hard to show in a picture, so I'm slightly exagge

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

I think that's a good idea too!. I'll try it. You are definitely visualizing the problem anyway. Meanwhile, you bring up a question I've had: I don't want to "complain" at all. I'm not unhappy. But, being a distant mail-order-only customer, I have no personal relationship with Rivendell.

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

The boss on the underside of the brace is threaded. But it is NOT at a right angle to the face of the fender, where it wants to be.Hard to show in a picture, so I'm slightly exaggerating in the photo below, just for illustration's sake. Just slightly. On your bike, the stays point direc

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

Dear Keith, A set of four (two pair) of the concave/convex washers sold with v-brake pads would sort that issue, one on either side of the fender. The best solution would have been for that threaded boss to have been oriented to the axis of the hub, I.e. rotating the boss fifteen degrees or so

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

iamkieth, It looks like you might have room to bend the tang of your sliding bridge over into the tangent orientation and then use a hex head bolt to attach it to the bottom side of the bridge. I think I would try something along those lines before messing with cutting/filing wedge shaped space

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

On 12/30/2015 04:45 PM, iamkeith wrote: I don't worry, in theory, about drilling up through the rear fender, for attachment directly to the seatstay brace. What I worry about is the fact that, because of the curvature of the seatstays on the clem, the hole on the brace is not oriented axially

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

Thanks, Steve. I guess I was clarifying/correcting my question as you were responding. You may have inadvertently answered it though: If I use some sort of thick rubber that can deform, on both sides of the fender, that may solve the problem just fine. -- You received this message because y

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

Oops. Deleted my previous post becasue I just realized I was asking the exact same question that Mark was asking in the other thread, which was what initiated this thread in the first place. Didn't really see an answer yet though, so let me simplify my question: I don't worry, in theory, abou

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

So. as long as this particular discussion is active, I'm hoping I can get a bit of related advice/suggestions. I just yesterday got some SKS plastic fenders from Tim, to install on my 59 Clem, and am running into something I haven't seen before. First of all though, I can confirm that the

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

On 12/30/2015 12:10 PM, ted wrote: I have alway thought the reason for adjusting the fenders curve was to match the tire and get the fender line one wants. If your fender doesn't match your tire radius they way you want it to, you have to adjust the fender or live with the miss-match. For me t

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

As the original poster, I'd like to just say that I was only asking for some guidance on an attachment point I had not previously dealt with, not whining! I would not say I have an abhorrence of spacers; I've set up a few custom spring things at the chainstay points on bikes with horizontal d

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

I have alway thought the reason for adjusting the fenders curve was to match the tire and get the fender line one wants. If your fender doesn't match your tire radius they way you want it to, you have to adjust the fender or live with the miss-match. For me that is a separate issue from bridge pl

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

On 12/30/2015 11:18 AM, ted wrote: Actually, though it can be a bit tedious, it is not difficult to be very precise with spacers/shims. Therefore I believe your presumption that they can not be used successfully with metal fenders is wrong. If "tedious" bothers anyone, they should avoid metal

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

Actually, though it can be a bit tedious, it is not difficult to be very precise with spacers/shims. Therefore I believe your presumption that they can not be used successfully with metal fenders is wrong. Sorry about the ad hominem attack. On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 6:23:07 AM UTC-8, St

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

+1; Will's posts are among my favorites. Don't get senile *too *quickly, please. On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Shoji Takahashi wrote: > Hi Will, > Thanks for the history! I love these stories. > > Happy New Year to all, > Shoji > > > > On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 9:47:06 AM UTC-5, Stev

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

Hi Will, Thanks for the history! I love these stories. Happy New Year to all, Shoji On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 9:47:06 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > On 12/29/2015 11:52 PM, William deRosset wrote: > > Dear Will, > > Expanding on my own post--is this a sign of senility? > > >

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

On 12/29/2015 11:52 PM, William deRosset wrote: Dear Will, Expanding on my own post--is this a sign of senility? No more so than a composer taking a delightful short melody and expanding it into a full-fledged symphony. This is a wonderful exposition, and I am sure you are 100% correct.

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

On 12/29/2015 10:36 PM, William deRosset wrote: Dear Steve, Sure. The Longstaff was built to carry fenders full-time. The basic Rivendell design templates were adapted/lifted from Bridgestone and Schwinn Paramount production concepts and standard American build practice. These are not bad ro

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

On 12/30/2015 12:34 AM, ted wrote: I wonder what the fender material has to do with it since I never "just grab hold of it, yank in the direction you want and clamp it down". I use a spacer to support the fender where I want it to get the fender line I want (as long as the frame is not in the w

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

I wonder what the fender material has to do with it since I never "just grab hold of it, yank in the direction you want and clamp it down". I use a spacer to support the fender where I want it to get the fender line I want (as long as the frame is not in the way). Is the use of spacers to adjust

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

Dear Will, Expanding on my own post--is this a sign of senility? Anyway, I did want to point out that the rear fender lines of early Rivendell designs aren't accidental. They are consistent with most non-constructeur builds of any era. There were a few Japanese bikes, a few now very influent

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

Dear Steve, Sure. The Longstaff was built to carry fenders full-time. The basic Rivendell design templates were adapted/lifted from Bridgestone and Schwinn Paramount production concepts and standard American build practice. These are not bad roots, but they are grounded in a less-specified buil

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

On 12/29/2015 08:18 PM, ted wrote: Easy and hard are subjective assessments made by the person doing the work, but ... I don't think it is accurate to say that "Rivendells are typically not really very well set up for fendering." They take fenders just fine. They all have room for fenders, the

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

What is the sound of one hand wringing? Jeff Hagedorn Los Angeles, CA USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googl

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

Easy and hard are subjective assessments made by the person doing the work, but ... I don't think it is accurate to say that "Rivendells are typically not really very well set up for fendering." They take fenders just fine. They all have room for fenders, they all have fender eyelets so you don'

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

"Maybe I expected too much." I think your definition of "perfect fenders" is identical to mine. If I specified a custom, I would specify "perfect fenders" and I would specify what I mean by perfect fenders in the minute detail and I would expect to get them. I don't know if you have actually

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

Generally true, although my buddy's Riv custom sets up really well for fenders, probably because he specified it needed to be built that way. I am jealous of his custom, the fenders look so clean compared to mine. On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > On 12/29/2015 12:03 P

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

On 12/29/2015 05:39 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: Steve You will be pleased to know my Hillborne has a threaded boss on the underside of the seatstay bridge, perfectly placed for easy fender installation. My Hillborne has a threaded boss on the trailing edge of its kickstand plate, perfectly pla

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

Steve You will be pleased to know my Hillborne has a threaded boss on the underside of the seatstay bridge, perfectly placed for easy fender installation. My Hillborne has a threaded boss on the trailing edge of its kickstand plate, perfectly placed for easy perfect fender line. All my Riven

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

Significantly more difficult to fender than my George Longstaff Audax Custom. Of course, that's a custom (made for John Bayley 25 years ago) rather than an off-the-shelf bike, but still. Both bridges in back are in exactly the correct locations, and the seatstay bridge has a fender mount bos

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

Dear Steve, Rivendells are as easy to fender as the typical British club bikes, or the Japanese sport-touring machines. It is only in the last fifteen years of the integrated-bike renaissance that designing for more than "clearance" and "versatility" has been even recognized as desirable in the

Re: [RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

On 12/29/2015 12:03 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: Thanks, Steve. I get the theory behind the better, but as I said, I've never experienced shifting or rattling caused by the seat stay attachment. This includes plastic SKS, old Bluemels, and newer VO metal fenders. Maybe I

[RBW] Rear fender mounting. Was: Christmas Clementine

Thanks, Steve. I get the theory behind the better, but as I said, I've never experienced shifting or rattling caused by the seat stay attachment. This includes plastic SKS, old Bluemels, and newer VO metal fenders. Maybe I've been lucky, but I'm also not sure how much play can develop at the m