As the original poster, I'd like to just say that I was only asking for some guidance on an attachment point I had not previously dealt with, not whining! I would not say I have an abhorrence of spacers; I've set up a few custom spring things at the chainstay points on bikes with horizontal dropouts. Though I would say fender fussing is not on my top ten fun things to do with a bicycle! In any case, thanks everyone for toning it down and making it useful--after all, who wants a fender bender to start the new year?! I think I can work it out from here. Thanks to all, and to all a happy new year!
<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IhS_f5iyrfY/VoQRmz5rOvI/AAAAAAAAFv4/CWjoUTpXve0/s1600/Kuwahara%2Bfender%2Bspring%2Bthing.JPG> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 8:18:33 PM UTC-5, ted wrote: > > Easy and hard are subjective assessments made by the person doing the > work, but ... > I don't think it is accurate to say that "Rivendells are typically not > really very well set up for fendering." They take fenders just fine. They > all have room for fenders, they all have fender eyelets so you don't have > to use p clamps, they all have chainstay bridges or kickstand plates that > accommodate bolting a fender there. > Apparently some folks find using spacers hard. I don't, and I doubt I am > alone in that view. The only thing I have ever encountered that really made > putting fenders on a bike hard was there not being room for them. > I am a bit mystified by the fixation on equidistant bridges (or kickstand > plates), and abhorrence of spacers some folks seem to have. > If one orders a custom built bike and feels strongly about such details > then by all means make your preferences known and the builder should honor > them. Otherwise, if the fenders fit stop whining. > > On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 4:06:07 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >> "Maybe I expected too much." >> >> I think your definition of "perfect fenders" is identical to mine. If I >> specified a custom, I would specify "perfect fenders" and I would specify >> what I mean by perfect fenders in the minute detail and I would expect to >> get them. I don't know if you have actually ever specified a custom >> frame. I know you purchased at least one bike that was originally built >> custom for somebody else, your Longstaff, but I don't think you had >> anything to do with the original spec. I also know that you bought a >> M.A.P. Randonneur Project, which has some custom aspects. Mitch builds >> perfect fenderability whether you specify that or not, as I understand it. >> >> My Atlantis has perfectly equidistant bridges in the back. Since I'm >> using tires that are far skinnier than the max, I've chosen to use a 5mm >> spacer at both bridges, but it's the identical 5mm spacer at both spots, as >> it should be. If I needed no spacer at the seatstay bridge and needed a >> >1.5" spacer at the chainstay bridge, I would be disappointed, just like >> you. I might even ask for a new frame. I would probably not use that >> situation to conclude that the bicycle company responsible for it was >> consistently or "typically" sloppy or careless. >> >> Specifically, I bought one of those factory refurbished "Renovelo" frames >> from Rivendell. It was badly out of alignment, but it passed the string >> test. Riv had checked it with the string test and didn't check it on a >> frame table or by putting a wheel in it. I returned it and Rivendell more >> than made it right. If I wanted to, I could have made a big deal about it, >> claiming Rivendell was sloppy or didn't care about quality. I could have >> told that story as often as you have talked about that small Atlantis. Or, >> I could let them take care of it to my satisfaction and be done with it. >> >> Bill Lindsay >> El Cerrito, CA >> >> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 3:09:15 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/29/2015 05:39 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: >>> > Steve >>> > >>> > You will be pleased to know my Hillborne has a threaded boss on the >>> > underside of the seatstay bridge, perfectly placed for easy fender >>> > installation. My Hillborne has a threaded boss on the trailing edge >>> > of its kickstand plate, perfectly placed for easy perfect fender >>> > line. All my Rivendells have vertical dropouts, which allow me to >>> > achieve good fenderlines. I've owned several Rivendells and none of >>> > them required a wine cork. >>> >>> I am indeed pleased to hear that. It's what we should expect on a >>> quality frame, and other than issues with misplaced bridges Rivendells >>> certainly are quality frames. >>> >>> >>> > So from my perspective "typical" is very good fenderability. Not >>> > perfect, but very good. I was pleased to inspect the Appaloosa >>> > frameset and find an inward facing threaded boss on the seatstay >>> > bridge. I hope they are equidistant, as you would hope. So, not all >>> > Rivendells will infuriate you the way that one small Atlantis did and >>> > continues to do. I can't think of anybody on this group that has >>> > gotten as much mileage out of badmouthing somebody else's bike than >>> > you have out of that one small Atlantis. Maybe all my recent good >>> > luck with fenders on Rivendells has been the result of your frequent >>> > "constructive criticism" of that one small Atlantis? If that's the >>> > case, thanks! >>> >>> What can I say? "Infuriating" is wrong: I found it shocking. >>> Dismaying. Deeply disappointing. Maybe I expected too much. If things >>> have changed for the better, then I am delighted. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
