Since the curved stays were already a kind of kludge thing, it's kind of hard to call this whole hole thing a design or production flaw. I realize it may be a case of semantics, but understandable oversight seems about right.
The issue I see with the wedge solution is, as mentioned by Keith, might be too much intrusion into the fender well. I had been thinking about using the supplied bracket by screwing in an L bracket (with the L shape oriented upside down), creating an attachment tab that would re-orient the hole so the supplied clip on bracket could work. The tabs on the bracket and/or the hanging L tab might still require a slight deformation, but it would be inconsequential and would likely not stress the fender itself. Another thought would be to attach it in some manner to a rear rack. But I will be using a Moose Rack for the Burley Piccolo, and while the hole lines up almost dead center with no wedgies required, it would not allow me to connect the Piccolo. As is often said, your mileage may vary. Then there are the two aft facing braze-ons on the seat stays approximately midway between the brake braze-ons and the seat bridge, the purpose of which I am completely ignorant. I suppose an attachment could be made using those. Maybe bolt on something structured like one of those brake re-enforcement type things and then bolt the clip on bracket to that. Starts to get kinda Frankendell at that point though. I am curious however, given that the underside mounting is now standard and is supposed to result in a cleaner and more secure installation (as shown in several of the photos posted above by Benz), why the hole goes completely through on the Clems, and is only threaded half way? Why go through if the hole is threaded? Perfect spot for water to collect, unless you run the bolt completely through and put on a nut. But then why have threads, and why half way? No doubt I am missing something supremely obvious. On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 7:38:07 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > > That looks like a design or a production flaw, to me. If I were you, I'd > hack a wedge-shaped spacer, and then complain to Rivendell. > > I've had my own, self-imposed fender hassles, but nothing like this! > > I append for comic relief the fender arrangement (I am going to market > this system under the trade name, HalfAssed Fenders) I hacked today for my > Race Lite, which has no fender bosses, no hole in the fork crown, and brake > boosters that clear the new, larger tires by about 1/4". > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 4:23 PM, iamkeith <keith...@gmail.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> The boss on the underside of the brace is threaded. But it is NOT at a >> right angle to the face of the fender, where it wants to be. Hard to >> show in a picture, so I'm slightly exaggerating in the photo below, just >> for illustration's sake. Just slightly. On your bike, the stays point >> directly at the dropout/axle, so everything is "in line" as you say, and >> aimed more-or-less directly at what would be the center of the arc of the >> fender. On the clem, the hole is parallel to the stays where the brace >> happens to be attached, but the stays at that point are not pointed >> anywhere near the axle/dropout. So there ends up being a wedge-shaped gap >> between the top of the fender and the bottom of the boss. If I tried to >> firmly clamp the fender at that point, it would significantly deform and/or >> pull the fender out of alignment and/or stress the fender & bolt. >> >> >> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--faQEJVwjcI/VoRl-DvI_0I/AAAAAAAAAPo/nLNSAzMZTpI/s1600/fenderbossangle.jpg> >> >> >> I think the idea of sandwiching the fender between flexible rubber donuts >> will work. Sort of like the way stud-mounted shock absorbers attache on >> some vehicles, to allow a variable angle. I'll need to use a pair of nuts >> to lock against each other at the top, since it will not be possible to >> snug the bolt against anything. >> >> >> >> >> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9rtfy0TPAnw/VoRmCNQRVaI/AAAAAAAAAPw/6NncKO8892E/s1600/shock_bracket-fitted.jpg> >> >> >> Only problem with this approach is that it will increase the length of >> the protrusion at the underside of the fender. So I'm still open to other >> ideas, like the ones Ted suggests. I'll look at bending the stock mounting >> tab, but it doesn't seem like it will quite work. Am hoping someone has >> already dealt with this >> >> >> >> Not sure I understand. Does the seatstay brace have a threaded boss or >>> not? This sure looks to me as though it's already drilled and tapped. >>> >>> >>> >>> If it its, you drill up through the fender directly under the threaded >>> hole. As far as the fender surface and the seat stay are concerned, it's >>> all in line. Where it is with respect to the hub (i.e., curvature of the >>> stays) shouldn't matter at all, and wouldn't put any stress on the fender. >>> >>> Or is the issue that the hole is drilled at a slant, and won't be at >>> right angles to the fender surface? Looking at what looks like a bolt head >>> in your photo, it looks as though it's straight through. 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