Re: [RBW] Re: Panniers vs Bikepacking bags

2017-04-28 Thread Steven Sweedler
After riding the Divide with 4 Panniers, a handlebar bag ( all Ortlieb) and a Little Joe saddle bag, arriving a few minutes earlier on a 60 m. day would not be a worthy reason to buy a new set of bags that were much less convenient for access. For me easy access is a huge plus..Though I pushed m

Re: [RBW] Re: Panniers vs Bikepacking bags

2017-04-28 Thread Robert Keal
DP, I think the claimed handling benefits for a bikepacking setup generally are only benefits for those who want to ride aggressively on an off-road tour. My bikes definitely handle more naturally and with less forethought required when I'm using a basket/seat bag/frame bag setup, but the point of

Re: [RBW] Re: Panniers vs Bikepacking bags

2017-04-28 Thread Patrick Moore
Patrick: you have far more off road loaded riding experience than I, but even I have lost (for good!) a rear pannier by squeezing through too narrow an opening. On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Maybe the fact that I'm ogrish with monkey arms makes a difference, but > I've

[RBW] Re: Panniers vs Bikepacking bags

2017-04-28 Thread Deacon Patrick
Maybe the fact that I'm ogrish with monkey arms makes a difference, but I've not ever had an issue bikepacking with my panniers and LCG. I have had challenges with a moron with vertigo and a fully loaded bike trying to balance on steep skree trails traversing at insane grades up insane slopes.

[RBW] Re: Panniers: Carsick vs. Sackville opinions?

2014-08-19 Thread RJM
I have the Sackville TourSacks and actually prefer that they are attached together. I keep my sleeping bag and a small bag of tools on the top of the rack and various stuff in the Sacks. When I get to the site I pitch my tent which traveled in the front of the bike and untie the sleeping bag, gr

[RBW] Re: Panniers: Carsick vs. Sackville opinions?

2014-08-15 Thread Deacon Patrick
I have and love the Sackville TourSacks, though the one thing that would make me love them more is if they attached individually to each side so I didn't have to remove my Large SaddleSack. I generally bike pack light and just use the SaddleSack and front TrunkSack, but if I need to carry more

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-13 Thread ekoral
swift! swift! swift! On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 6:01:43 AM UTC-7, doc wrote: > > Swift Short Stacks: > http://gspiess.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/swift-and-x-bike-015.jpg > > On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 1:50:05 PM UTC-4, Don wrote: > >> OK, having picked your brains quite successfully on the

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-11 Thread Scot Brooks
I'll add my +1 to the Swift Industries panniers. They're exquisitely made, and Martina really takes pride in her work and her involvement with the touring community. They're on my wish list for that reason, and also because I know 4 everyday commuters/touring cyclists who swear by her stuff. --

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-11 Thread tdusky
Closeups added http://www.flickr.com/photos/37678222@N02/8078174442/in/photostream/ Tom On Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:45:05 AM UTC-4, Don wrote: > > Tom, > I would like to see all the pics you have especially the > hardware/attachment setup you used. > Thanks, > Don > > On Thursday, October

RE: [RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-11 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
ners right under the rack top, which is the only one that people have reported any issues with. Still fits. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:34 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject

Re: [RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-11 Thread Anne Paulson
When I was touring this summer with Adventure Cycling, part of the group gear was three plastic dishpans we used for washing dishes. At first they seemed like a nuisance, but when I volunteered to carry them, the utility became obvious. I carried them, neatly nested, face up on my front rack, held

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-11 Thread dougP
You gotta appreciate someone who's not hung up on bag matching. Saw a guy a couple of years back who was using a 5 gallon plastic bucket strapped to the rack top. He pointed out that in addition to being water-proof, it doubles as a camp stool. dougP On Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:32:14 A

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-11 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
I moved the attachment hook (as in your pic). Smooth sailing. Thanks again, Kelly. On one of my flickr pics (linked above) a buddy suggested swapping the hooks so the cams swing open the opposite way. I may try it at a later date when I'm feeling tinker-y. On the trach-can-pannier front... b

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-11 Thread IanA
Those are great! For extended touring, the plastic will likely start to break. Easy enough to move the hardware on to new ones, I guess. On Thursday, October 11, 2012 7:32:14 AM UTC-6, tdusky wrote: > > I just did the ride with Kelly and company and I really liked my Fresh > Step Panniers. > T

Re: [RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-11 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I too would like to see how you mount the home-mades. As I've said before, the most practical grocery panniers I've used were two pairs I made from $4-on-sale kitchen trash cans from Target. It's just that I felt so self conscious riding around with *trashcans* hooked to my bike. I've still got a

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-11 Thread Don
Tom, I would like to see all the pics you have especially the hardware/attachment setup you used. Thanks, Don On Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:32:14 AM UTC-4, tdusky wrote: > > I just did the ride with Kelly and company and I really liked my Fresh > Step Panniers. > They cost me $5 each in hardw

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-11 Thread Kelly
Andy, The attachments are adjustable. You loosen a set screw and just move them to the positions you need for the rack you are using. Yes they fit the rack with easy on and off. Kelly On Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:32:14 AM UTC-5, tdusky wrote: > > I just did the ride with Kelly and com

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-11 Thread tdusky
I just did the ride with Kelly and company and I really liked my Fresh Step Panniers. They cost me $5 each in hardware and some looking on tuesday (trash day). I built them so they set back on my short Blackburn rack so I had heel clearance. Very easy access and when unloading you can use the ot

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-11 Thread Don
Kelly, I could see from Andy's picture what his problem was. It is not too clear to me from your pic how you solved it. Did you just reposition the pannier a little forward on the rack. Bottom line, and this is important to me, do the Arkel panniers (especially the largest one) fit on a large re

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-10 Thread Kelly
Doesn't effect stability at all. I've ridden this on some really rough roads no problem. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Z

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-10 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
How I failed to think to move the thingy forward of the triangle is beyond me. Now that I see the pic, it seems the obvious and most simple solution. Thanks! I briefly (months ago when I got the panniers) contemplated cutting the triangle off. Glad I didn't do it. I assume stability is fine w

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-10 Thread Kelly
Andy, Try it this way. May save some on and off headaches. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8075416632/in/photostream Kelly On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:12:34 PM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: > > With the rack off and the pannier empty, I got it to work. Tight fit that > invol

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-10 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
With the rack off and the pannier empty, I got it to work. Tight fit that involved some monkeying to get it on but it's a solid attachment. Thanks for the counter experience. I took a few pics in case anyone's wondering what the issue was... http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/8074911181

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-10 Thread Kelly
If photos will help let me know and I'll take some of the back of the pannier that fits, the rack and them together. Kelly On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:35:11 PM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: > > I fiddled with them and was never able to get them to fit. > > I wonder if our racks or pan

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-10 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
I fiddled with them and was never able to get them to fit. I wonder if our racks or panniers are somehow different? The front hook/clamp fits fine in the triangle but on the rear the cross piece is smack in the middle of the triangle. Even when I had the Arkel hooks loose and could micro-adju

RE: [RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-10 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
esday, October 09, 2012 8:54 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: panniers one point about Arkel... they're great panniers and their attachment system is rock solid but takes some real estate to properly clamp onto the rack rails. I mention this because the OP mentioned N

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-10 Thread Ron Mc
throwing these up again, I like Carsick Designs panniers. They are lined and waterproof, easy on/off in/out and I think they look sharp. http://carsickdesigns.com/PRODUCTS/Pages/PANNIERS.html On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 12:50:05 PM UTC-5, Don wrote: > > OK, having picked your brains quite succ

RE: [RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-10 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
[RBW] Re: panniers Swift Short Stacks: http://gspiess.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/swift-and-x-bike-015.jpg On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 1:50:05 PM UTC-4, Don wrote: OK, having picked your brains quite successfully on the subject of lighting I now turn to the subject of panniers, front and rear. I

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-10 Thread doc
Swift Short Stacks: http://gspiess.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/swift-and-x-bike-015.jpg On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 1:50:05 PM UTC-4, Don wrote: > OK, having picked your brains quite successfully on the subject of > lighting I now turn to the subject of panniers, front and rear. I have a > ver

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-09 Thread Kelly
Andy They are adjustable. I found my artel attaching system fit right in the center of the triangle. One set once its no muss no fuss. I'm talking about the large rear Rivendell rack with the trusses. Same thing you are noting? Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribe

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-09 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
one point about Arkel... they're great panniers and their attachment system is rock solid but takes some real estate to properly clamp onto the rack rails. I mention this because the OP mentioned Nitto racks. My late model (w/ the corner truss reinforcements) Big Back Rack (size large) is NOT c

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-09 Thread dougP
Others have covered the water resistance issue well & that's an important point. Another thing to study is the mounting & retention hardware. You will likely be taking them off the bike often when on tour, so it has to be something quick & easy, yet solid and secure. Before you buy, ask about

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-09 Thread RJM
Anybody use the Sackville panniers? On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 12:50:05 PM UTC-5, Don wrote: > OK, having picked your brains quite successfully on the subject of > lighting I now turn to the subject of panniers, front and rear. I have a > very inexpensive Sunlight top bag and panniers and

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-09 Thread Don
Great pics. Thanks On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:28:14 PM UTC-4, Kelly wrote: > > Dawn and I use Arkel expedition series panniers. We used them for years > and in extensive rains without getting anything wet. I carry a down > sleeping bag so keeping dry is important. The many pockets and ve

[RBW] Re: panniers

2012-10-09 Thread Kelly
Dawn and I use Arkel expedition series panniers. We used them for years and in extensive rains without getting anything wet. I carry a down sleeping bag so keeping dry is important. The many pockets and vertical sleeping pad carrier are fantastic. I love the Ortlibs as well I just don't

Re: [RBW] Re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread james black
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 14:08, Bill Connell wrote: > Thanks! Once you've made a saddlebag or two, you really appreciate the > amount of work that goes into the Rivendell (and Carradice and Acorn, > etc., etc.) bags. It's not as simple as you think, and there are a lot > of little details that make

Re: [RBW] Re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Michael Dakin wrote: > Could be tough to beat the connection quality of multiple zip ties-- > rock solid.  I get the urge to remove the basket sometimes but I never > do because I too don't like the idea of wasting zip ties (and I know I > want the basket on there

[RBW] Re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread Michael Dakin
Could be tough to beat the connection quality of multiple zip ties-- rock solid. I get the urge to remove the basket sometimes but I never do because I too don't like the idea of wasting zip ties (and I know I want the basket on there most of the time). I wonder how well three properly sized and

[RBW] Re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread doug peterson
For pannier mounts, I called Wayne at the Touring Store (touringstore.com) & he had Ortlieb's attachments. Don't recall what they're called but they hook over the rack and have a clever little roll over fitting that wraps around the rack tube. I fitted these up to some REI panniers that don't loc

Re: [RBW] Re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Brian Hanson wrote: > BTW - for the post about the re-openable zip tie - just cut the old ones off > and use new ties when you want to put it back on.  They're super cheap - get > a big bag at a hardware store and you'll be set for years... > Brian I can't do tha

Re: [RBW] Re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread Brian Hanson
Nicole - I've been using a medium Wald (in front on a Mark's rack) and Shopsack for a few months now, and I love it. Super convenient, and easy to put stuff even under the bag (when I have to bring donuts, and such). The bag just clips on, so it's easy to remove and doesn't affect much in the way

[RBW] re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread arthur strum
Nicole wrote: > > I'm debating between a Nigel Smythe Big Box and the as-of-yet-unseen > panniers, but another consideration is that I don't have an office > (and probably wont for at least another year and a half), and so my > bike ends up being locked up outside all over Berkeley and Oakland > c

[RBW] Re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread Jim Cloud
I'm somewhat confused about the statement that "big companies use plastic hardware that their in-house industrial designers design". Is Gilles Berthoud a "big company", I didn't think so. They do, however, use many "Klick-Fix" attachment products that work quite well. These are made in Germany b

RE: [RBW] Re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
egroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Seth Vidal Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 5:49 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: panniers On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote: > I use a Big Box with the Nitto Quick Re

Re: [RBW] Re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote: > I use a Big Box with the Nitto Quick Release gizmo (on Riv website) on a > Bombadil commuter.  It's a fantastic combo -- the Big Box is HUGE, and very > good looking (excellent usable pockets, too).  The Quick Release works > perfe

RE: [RBW] Re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
ay, December 09, 2009 3:17 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: panniers I've also read somewhere that there are panniers in the works, but I can't remember whether or not it was a credible source. I'm in the market for panniers and have been waiting for Riv to update their

Re: [RBW] Re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread Bill Connell
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Bill Connell wrote: >> >> >> It's not a cheap option (esp. with the rack requirement), but i think >> the new Riv Slickersack looks fantastic. I've been making my own >> saddlebags lately as a winter project. The

[RBW] Re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread Nicole E.
Beautiful bags, Bill! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For m

Re: [RBW] Re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Bill Connell wrote: > > > It's not a cheap option (esp. with the rack requirement), but i think > the new Riv Slickersack looks fantastic. I've been making my own > saddlebags lately as a winter project. The newest one is at the bottom > of this post (click pic for

Re: [RBW] Re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread Bill Connell
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Nicole E. wrote: > Actually, the Wald basket/ShopSack combo doesn't look like a bad > idea!  The ShopSack isn't quite as classy as I had in mind (I'm trying > to avoid the professor-hobo look, although I seem to keep replicating > it in spite of myself), but it migh

Re: [RBW] Re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Nicole E. wrote: > Actually, the Wald basket/ShopSack combo doesn't look like a bad > idea!  The ShopSack isn't quite as classy as I had in mind (I'm trying > to avoid the professor-hobo look, although I seem to keep replicating > it in spite of myself), but it migh

[RBW] Re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread Nicole E.
Actually, the Wald basket/ShopSack combo doesn't look like a bad idea! The ShopSack isn't quite as classy as I had in mind (I'm trying to avoid the professor-hobo look, although I seem to keep replicating it in spite of myself), but it might end up fitting the bill. I do like how neatly the bag f

[RBW] Re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread Nicholas Grieco
Rivendell News, August 20th 2009 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/148 > We WILL have panniers and a messenger bag (<--maybe on > that) in the Spring. There are still some mounting details > to work out for the panniers. The big companies use plastic > hardware that their in-house ind

Re: [RBW] Re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Nicole E. wrote: > I've also read somewhere that there are panniers in the works, but I > can't remember whether or not it was a credible source.  I'm in the > market for panniers and have been waiting for Riv to update their > shop. > > I bought a Nigel Smythe coun

[RBW] Re: panniers

2009-12-09 Thread Nicole E.
I've also read somewhere that there are panniers in the works, but I can't remember whether or not it was a credible source. I'm in the market for panniers and have been waiting for Riv to update their shop. I bought a Nigel Smythe country bag and lil loafer, but I realized that I need much more